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How atheists can enjoy religion
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RE: How atheists can enjoy religion
(August 28, 2021 at 11:46 pm)Astreja Wrote:
(August 27, 2021 at 11:02 pm)Astreja Wrote: What good is a religion that doesn't try to make life less painful?

What good is a religion that takes itself so seriously that there's no fun allowed?

(August 27, 2021 at 11:47 pm)WinterHold Wrote: It provides objective truth, it is never meant to be a subjective matter.

If I wanted to have fun, first I'll consult myself to see what is the most fun thing to me, then I will consult the objective constitution that I follow to see if the fun "I'm trying to have" is legal".

A lot of religions claim to have objective truth, but I've yet to see one that can empirically demonstrate that they have objective truth.

One also does not need religion to make rational choices about balancing enjoyment with morality.  (If an action exposes someone else to potential harm, it's probably not something that I would enjoy doing.)

In my opinion, the stressing on the "design of the universe" is what makes Islam stands out from the reset of religions; the steps for "discovering the design" are in the story of Abraham peace be upon him:


Quote:Sura 6. The Quran:
https://quran.com/6:78?store=false&translations=

Translator: — Dr. Ghali

(75) And thus We show Ibrahim (Abraham) the dominion of the heavens and the earth that he may be of the ones of constant certitude.

(76) So as soon as the night outspread over him, he saw a planet. He said, "This is my Lord." Then, as soon as it set, (Literally: waned, faded) he said, "I do not love the setting (things)."

(77) Then, as soon as he saw the moon emerging, he said, "This is my Lord." Yet as soon as it set, he said, "Indeed unless my Lord guides me, indeed I will definitely be of the erring people."

(78) Then, as soon as he saw the sun emerging, he said, "This is my Lord, this is greater." Yet as soon as it set, he said, "O my people, surely I am quit of whatever you associate (with Allah).

(79) Surely I have directed my face to Him Who originated (i.e., created) the heavens and the earth, unswervingly upright, (i.e., by nature upright) and in no way am I one of the associators." (i.e., those who associate others with Allah)

Other religions do not provide such logical explanations for belief like this simple, straightforward way. In mathematics it is called the "Base Case":

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Recursion#In_mathematics

God is the "Base Case" of this universe, and the story of Abraham shows it clearly.
Other religions fail in giving anything logical like this.
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How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 24, 2021 at 11:13 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by arewethereyet - August 24, 2021 at 11:17 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by arewethereyet - August 24, 2021 at 11:18 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by HappySkeptic - August 24, 2021 at 11:19 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by zwanzig - August 24, 2021 at 11:29 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 24, 2021 at 11:36 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by LadyForCamus - August 24, 2021 at 11:38 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 24, 2021 at 11:43 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ravenshire - August 24, 2021 at 1:44 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 24, 2021 at 1:50 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by vulcanlogician - August 24, 2021 at 2:00 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Spongebob - August 24, 2021 at 2:02 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Astreja - August 24, 2021 at 3:19 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by no one - August 24, 2021 at 11:30 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Brian37 - August 24, 2021 at 11:48 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 24, 2021 at 11:53 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by onlinebiker - August 24, 2021 at 11:33 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Gwaithmir - August 24, 2021 at 11:53 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 24, 2021 at 1:06 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Astreja - August 24, 2021 at 1:40 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Spongebob - August 24, 2021 at 1:44 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Secular Elf - August 24, 2021 at 2:01 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by arewethereyet - August 24, 2021 at 2:09 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by vulcanlogician - August 24, 2021 at 2:16 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Secular Elf - August 24, 2021 at 2:19 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by zwanzig - August 24, 2021 at 2:33 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 24, 2021 at 4:05 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by onlinebiker - August 24, 2021 at 4:27 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Spongebob - August 24, 2021 at 5:25 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by onlinebiker - August 24, 2021 at 5:42 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by WinterHold - August 26, 2021 at 8:06 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 26, 2021 at 8:22 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Fireball - August 27, 2021 at 11:38 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Astreja - August 27, 2021 at 11:02 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by WinterHold - August 27, 2021 at 11:47 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Astreja - August 28, 2021 at 11:46 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by WinterHold - August 29, 2021 at 8:23 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Astreja - August 29, 2021 at 9:50 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by WinterHold - August 30, 2021 at 12:01 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Astreja - August 30, 2021 at 12:26 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 30, 2021 at 12:37 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Astreja - August 30, 2021 at 1:10 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Mister Agenda - August 30, 2021 at 10:33 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 30, 2021 at 11:23 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by WinterHold - August 30, 2021 at 3:13 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Astreja - August 30, 2021 at 9:44 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by The Grand Nudger - August 26, 2021 at 8:33 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Silver - August 26, 2021 at 9:00 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by The Grand Nudger - August 27, 2021 at 3:34 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 27, 2021 at 5:08 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 27, 2021 at 9:51 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Nay_Sayer - August 27, 2021 at 10:28 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 27, 2021 at 10:35 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by onlinebiker - August 28, 2021 at 7:13 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by The Grand Nudger - August 27, 2021 at 11:53 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by The Valkyrie - August 28, 2021 at 5:35 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 28, 2021 at 6:31 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by The Valkyrie - August 28, 2021 at 6:49 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by vulcanlogician - August 28, 2021 at 9:24 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 28, 2021 at 6:57 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by The Valkyrie - August 28, 2021 at 6:59 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Gwaithmir - August 28, 2021 at 8:46 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Spongebob - August 28, 2021 at 9:57 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 28, 2021 at 8:12 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Spongebob - August 28, 2021 at 8:55 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 29, 2021 at 6:24 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 28, 2021 at 2:09 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 28, 2021 at 6:58 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by no one - August 28, 2021 at 8:31 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by purplepurpose - August 29, 2021 at 1:20 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 29, 2021 at 1:22 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 29, 2021 at 6:06 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 30, 2021 at 8:21 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2021 at 3:15 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 30, 2021 at 3:55 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by vulcanlogician - August 30, 2021 at 3:57 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by no one - August 30, 2021 at 4:00 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Gwaithmir - August 30, 2021 at 4:44 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by The Grand Nudger - August 30, 2021 at 4:03 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 30, 2021 at 4:10 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by arewethereyet - August 30, 2021 at 4:08 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by HappySkeptic - August 30, 2021 at 8:12 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 30, 2021 at 10:22 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by HappySkeptic - August 31, 2021 at 12:24 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 31, 2021 at 7:16 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by BrianSoddingBoru4 - August 31, 2021 at 7:38 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Spongebob - August 31, 2021 at 8:26 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 30, 2021 at 10:03 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Silver - August 30, 2021 at 10:31 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2021 at 9:31 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 31, 2021 at 9:56 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by arewethereyet - August 31, 2021 at 10:19 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 31, 2021 at 10:35 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 31, 2021 at 10:40 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 31, 2021 at 10:56 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 31, 2021 at 11:04 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Ahriman - August 31, 2021 at 11:14 am
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by brewer - August 31, 2021 at 12:24 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by HappySkeptic - August 31, 2021 at 12:26 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by The Grand Nudger - August 31, 2021 at 12:21 pm
RE: How atheists can enjoy religion - by Todji812 - September 5, 2021 at 7:22 pm

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