RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
October 14, 2021 at 12:52 pm
(This post was last modified: October 14, 2021 at 1:39 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(October 14, 2021 at 11:38 am)Ferrocyanide Wrote: It is my understanding that there is no christian god. There is a jewish god and it is my understanding that there were various jew sects 2000+ y or 2100+y or 2200+ y ago and they needed a messiah to save them from the evil overlords the Roman empire.Yeah, the romans conquered judea around 63bc, and put the final nail in the subsequent insurgency (this is where we get the term zealot from) by march of 70ad when they destroyed the second temple. As was their way, the romans installed local puppet kings. It was difficult, in those circumstances, to believe that a davidic king would show up any minute to conquer the world. This is when proto-christianity began to meaningfully diverge from it's roots in jewish apocalypticism. Pagan rome ruled the area for 400 years, followed by another 300 years of christian rome/constantinople. That influence is writ large over christianity.
I assume that the Roman empire blew away the jewish army and killed the royal family at some point. Unless if one of you can tell me who the royal family was and the members of 1 st century Israel.
So, there was a need for a messiah. The messiah had a mission to accomplish.
Quote:So, the short version is that:3 would be inaccurate. The pantheist god isn't a person or person like. It's everything or everything-like. It intervenes as the others do not as a person of it's own volition but because there are many intervening agents in "everything".
1. the jewish god is a person.
2. the deist god is a person.
3. the pantheist god is a person.
4. the polytheist god are a persons.
Quote:I get confused since sometimes, people tells me that god is love.All bad faith arguments from faithless people, imo. I'm assuming you're referring to abrahamics here..but, just as one example, if anyone calling themselves a christian tells you that god is something other than christ who suffered and died for your sins on the cross and was resurrected - then you're not talking to a christian. If they tell you god is not personal, or does not intervene, they're not christian. Amusingly, and as the fundies never get tired of telling anyone who will listen, most christians today..aren't. There's some nut who has a scale named after him that purports to determine whether or not some one has "a biblical faith" - and by their reckoning, less than 6% of people with children under 18 qualify - even though far more than 6% identify as such. That doesn't bode well for christianity, but it's a small bit of hope for the rest of humanity.
Well, that is a brainless thing. It isn’t a person.
Some people tell me that my god is science.
Well, that is a brainless thing. It isn’t a person.
Some people tell me that my gods are communist, Stalin, Mao Zadong, Pol Pot and atheists killed more people than christians.
Well, those are people but I don’t agree with the violence and hatred from Stalin, Mao Zadong, Pol Pot.
I guess us 4 have something in common.
The song and dance about communist gods is in no way christian (christ was a communist, at least by his description) - it's political christianity - which was the engineer of the demise of religious christianity in the us. They basically fell on their own swords for fear of soviets under every bed, in every closet...and look at em now - wedded to a russian asset and dreams of a totalitarian state.
They never really believed in anything other than power, specifically their own, and how to maintain it.
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