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Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
(October 14, 2021 at 9:44 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: “3 would be inaccurate.  The pantheist god isn't a person or person like.  It's everything or everything-like.  It intervenes as the others do not as a person of it's own volition but because there are many intervening agents in "everything".”

==Since Seax wrote:
“God would not create a universe with laws opposed to His Will.”

So this tells me that god, which is our universe, is a person.
That just tells you that seax believed in a personal god, not that pantheism proposes one, or that the universe is a person.  

Quote:There is a certain number, maybe I have encountered 30 people, who claim that they don’t have a religion and that they follow Jesus and they have a relationship.
An effect of secularization on the religious, yeah.  "Religious" is perceived to be a pejorative term, even by them, and that line is designed to evade whatever portion of contemporary society that reflexively balks at religion. Some of them are just idiots and/or liars, too, ofc.

Quote:Yes, I have encountered a bunch of times cases where some christian says the other christian is not christian.
For example, they don’t consider mormons as christians. To be honest, mormons are barely christian. (They have this notion that the jewish god was just a human and by following the rules of his god, that he got his diploma and license to be a god. This god created Earth and populated it. They believe that they will become gods in the afterlife.
This stuff is discussed at the exmormon website. Some were saying that today’s mormonism is not recognizable. A lot of this stuff is swepted under the rug.
You're talking about bickering, I'm referencing classification.  Mormons are christian because they believe in the crucifixion, resurrection, and divinity of christ.  They're theists because they believe in a personal and intervening god.  They may, arguably, be polytheists because they believe that there could be more than one god, that they might become gods themselves.   All christians are, by definition, theists, and anyone who rejects theism cannot be accurately classified as christian.  Sometimes these people who reject the divinity of christ are called cultural christians, more informally, jesusists.  To denote that they do not believe in a theistic god, do not believe in christ, but do hold some value system derived from judeochristian mythology.  

Quote:“There's some nut who has a scale named after him that purports to determine whether or not some one has "a biblical faith" - and by their reckoning, less than 6% of people with children under 18 qualify - even though far more than 6% identify as such. That doesn't bode well for christianity, but it's a small bit of hope for the rest of humanity.”

==Yes, the different christian sects compete with each other, sometimes with violence.
It’s the same with islam. For example, ISIS, al-nusra, taliban.
That's true, but what his scale and polling is designed to show is that children are leaving the faith, and not teaching it to their children.  That his particular brand of christianity is perched on a demographic cliff (if not already laying dead in the ravine below).  

Quote:“The song and dance about communist gods is in no way christian (christ was a communist, at least by his description) - it's political christianity - which was the engineer of the demise of religious christianity in the us. They basically fell on their own swords for fear of soviets under every bed, in every closet...and look at em now - wedded to a russian asset and dreams of a totalitarian state.”

==What do you mean?
That through a series of movements and circumstances too long and numerous to really explore in this format, going back to the cold war, american christianity became (or was captured by) an aggressive far right wing movement with political power at it's core, all but discarding anything genuinely christian or christlike in the process.   Today, they're the maga mob.  Dominionists.  Abortion, homosexuality, public education.  Expert infantry badge jesus, trickle down jesus.  A christianity with a criminal, thrice married adulterer and publicly shitty person at it's head, which promises to do everything it can to overthrow american democracy in their lifetimes. Like so many before them, they're tired of waiting for the godmans return. They're going to build gods kingdom on earth, themselves, here. Like I said. Faithless.
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Messages In This Thread
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Duty - March 14, 2021 at 12:58 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Seax - March 19, 2021 at 12:53 am
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by The Grand Nudger - October 14, 2021 at 11:46 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 18, 2021 at 3:38 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 19, 2021 at 5:18 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 20, 2021 at 2:05 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 21, 2021 at 7:54 am
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 22, 2021 at 2:37 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 23, 2021 at 1:29 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Alan V - November 22, 2021 at 8:43 pm
RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? - by Angrboda - November 23, 2021 at 10:04 am

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