RE: Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism?
November 18, 2021 at 3:17 pm
(This post was last modified: November 18, 2021 at 3:22 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 18, 2021 at 1:20 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: By personal, do you mean it has a brain?No. Thinking would be personal, intentional would be personal, concerned would be personal, appealable would be personal, deciding would be personal.
Conceivably, an entity or force could do those things with something other than a human brain, or a brain at all.
Quote:Maybe my english is not so good.Your english is fine. Personal as in the above, the difference between a theistic god, a deistic god, and nature. The first is personal and intervening. The second is personal and non intervening.
For example, if this cup is mine, I would say it is my personal cup. In other words, the word personal means “it belongs to”.
Quote:Yes, I am in agreement with that view. I think long ago, at some point, humans thought that the forces of nature had a brain or maybe there was a “spirit” animating them.Trouble is, we know it's hard to reason with things we can't describe as personal. As like us in the relevant way. The wind intervenes in your life..probably alot if you're making offerings to it and praying to it. It just never listens.
The forces would be: The wind, the mountain/volcano, the water, the weather, storm and lightning, disease.
It’s called animism.
I imagine that they tried to reason with it, they tried to make deals with the forces. (Give the wind some fruits, some goat, some virgin girl or boy.)
It's this last final clutch at a supernatural attribute for nature that separates pantheism from atheism - if the person has gotten rid of every other superstition and they're still left with a theistic god conceived of as nature..but, somehow, personal.
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