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How literally should we take the Qur'an ?
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RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ?
(July 28, 2022 at 3:27 pm)Klorophyll Wrote:
(July 22, 2022 at 4:03 am)Deesse23 Wrote: "We created from water every living thing" = every living thing is largely water
Hehe
The only miracle is why you have such low standards to believe in stupid shit, any why you have such a strong drive to reconcile this shit with what we know to be true.

Bold mine. You're obviously quoting me out of context, your blatant dishonesty above is the reason why you see (and many like you) a contradiction in every Qur'anic verse.

 It's enough for this verse to be plausibly considered a miracle, that every living organism is composed of water. Read again: every organism. This information is not available to anybody, even now, if they don't have the suitable equipment.

(July 22, 2022 at 4:59 am)pocaracas Wrote: Because he thinks that, back then, this was not known to humanity, unless it was handed down from a higher power.

The fact that bacteria and eukaryotic cells (which are the only two domains of life) contain water was obviously not known to humanity. And it's not knowable by reasoning alone that all lifeforms are made of water. You need knowledge of modern cell biology and lab equipment for that.

(July 22, 2022 at 4:59 am)pocaracas Wrote: As if populations didn't gather around bodies of water for a reason during the previous thousands of years. As if ancient Greeks didn't already postulate that water was key to life.

The ancient greeks also believed that the four classical elements explain all existence. 

Populations gathering around water just means that.. they were gathering around water, not that they claimed every lifeform is composed of water.

Do you want to share any more moronic statements ?

(July 22, 2022 at 4:59 am)pocaracas Wrote: 'water is the source of all life'
attributed to Thales of Miletus (624-546 BC)

Check your sources, Thales claimed that everything originates from water, not just lifeforms. He thought water changes into fire, air and fire.

You can see that the Islamic prophet was more careful and knowledgeable than you , a guy with an internet connexion living in the 21st century, with unlimited access to any information, when he purportedly made up the Qur'an from greek sources.. lol.

Checking.... yale.edu seems legit:

https://teachersinstitute.yale.edu/curri....11.x.html

""
Thales the Milesian (639-544 B.C.), was one of the Seven Sages of Miletus. He was fond of “physis,” the Greek word meaning nature. He was a self-educated man who had learned a great deal by traveling. He was a wealthy man, as most studiers of science were, with a very high social standing. Because of this high social standing he collected many disciples. What is today called science was born over two thousand years ago in this Ionian colony with this Ionian descendent. Thales questioned the real meaning of things he saw in his world and he had a great desire to go beyond the facts and try to find out the reasons for their existence.

One of Thales’ contributions was based upon his observation that water was the most abundant material on the Earth and all plants and animals needed it for life. He postulated that life originated from water and that everything died when deprived of it. This concept, although based on reason, still had a magic aura about itself since Thales did not attempt to explain how or why the birth and death actually occurred.
[...]
A student of Thales, Anaximander of Miletus (611-547), helped to free Thales’ concept from magic and helped the elevation of science into pure reason
""

And then it went downhill.
But the notion is there.


In parallel, in India
https://washmatters.wateraid.org/publica...r-in-india
""
The Vedic Period (2000-600 BC) - the Sanctification of Water

In Vedic texts, water is referred to as Apah, or literally the Waters. The Waters are considered to be purifying in a spiritual context.
‘Hail to you, divine, unfathomable, all purifying Waters...’(Rg Veda).
The Rg Veda identifies the Waters as the first residence or ayana of Nara, the Eternal Being and therefore water is said to be pratishtha, the underlying principle, or the very foundation of this universe.
‘Water may pour from the heaven or run along the channels dug out by men; or flow clear and pure having the Ocean as their goal...In the midst of the Waters is moving the Lord, surveying men’s truth and men’s lies. How sweet are the Waters, crystal clear and cleansing...From whom... all the Deities drink exhilarating strength, into whom the Universal Lord has entered...’(Satapatha).

Early Vedic texts also identify water as a manifestation of the feminine principle, known commonly as Sakti. ‘I call the Waters, Goddesses, wherein our cattle quench their thirst; Oblations to the streams be given...’(Rg Veda). It is said that the primordial cosmic man or Purusa was born of the Waters.
Similarly later Vedic texts identify that, ‘Water is female...’(Satapatha)
""

"The Primordial man was born of the Waters"... life comes from water.

Clearly, this should not have been a foreign notion to someone hundreds of years later and geographically in between these two regions.
But hey... God-did-it sounds much more reasonable, doesn't it?
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How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by momo666 - January 14, 2017 at 9:28 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by brewer - January 14, 2017 at 10:16 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by ignoramus - January 14, 2017 at 11:03 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by c172 - January 14, 2017 at 11:07 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by Fireball - January 14, 2017 at 11:22 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by Jesster - January 14, 2017 at 11:28 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by paulpablo - January 14, 2017 at 11:55 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by Nay_Sayer - January 15, 2017 at 12:11 am
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by robvalue - January 15, 2017 at 3:37 am
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by pocaracas - January 15, 2017 at 4:12 am
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by momo666 - January 15, 2017 at 1:37 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by pocaracas - January 15, 2017 at 3:06 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by Jesster - January 15, 2017 at 3:13 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by LastPoet - January 15, 2017 at 4:29 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by pocaracas - January 15, 2017 at 4:46 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by chimp3 - January 15, 2017 at 3:08 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by LastPoet - January 15, 2017 at 4:27 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by LastPoet - January 15, 2017 at 4:54 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by Jesster - January 15, 2017 at 4:47 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by robvalue - January 16, 2017 at 1:00 am
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by ignoramus - January 16, 2017 at 3:54 am
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by robvalue - January 16, 2017 at 5:01 am
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by Brian37 - January 16, 2017 at 7:32 am
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by paulpablo - January 24, 2017 at 11:20 am
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by Cyberman - January 24, 2017 at 11:44 am
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by pocaracas - January 24, 2017 at 12:07 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by Cyberman - January 24, 2017 at 10:21 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by pocaracas - January 24, 2017 at 5:43 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by ignoramus - January 24, 2017 at 10:25 pm
RE: How literally should we take the Qur'an ? - by pocaracas - July 28, 2022 at 4:57 pm

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