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Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism
(September 19, 2022 at 4:52 pm)R00tKiT Wrote: Quote the verse that says : "don't study mathematics", or "don't do science" from the Qur'an, go.

The word fundamentalist comes with many, many connotations, you might want to unpack it and say exactly what doctrine in Islam you think is anti-scientific.

We know that the first revelation ever that came to Muhammad is literally : "Read: In the name of Allah Who created, (1) Created man from a clot. (2) Read: And Allah is the Most Generous, (3) Who taught by the pen, (4) Taught man that which he knew not".  [96:1-4]. It explicitly invites one to read and learn.

We know that scientific breakthroughs can literally make nations win wars, and since you think that Islam is an imperial religion, it's crucial -according to jihadism- that Muslims get on top of other nations and excel in science, isn't it ?

So, contrary to what you read in christian polemics, it's actually the other way around : the most extremist and violent interpretations of the jihad doctrine will actually welcome science and innovation.

I don't care, to be perfectly honest.  The word "Islam" means "submission to God", and as there is no god, this makes Islam anti-intellectual, anti-mathematics and anti-science.  Aristotle was not a religious fundamentalist, and as his teachings began to infuse both East & West, the reactions on the part of religious conservatives began to manifest themselves:

Wikipedia -- Condemnations of 1210–1277

I have no doubt whatsoever that, as occurred in the West, the Muslim caliphates in the East, were having similar musings.  Of course, the conservatives in the West did not get their way, which allowed the rise of the University system in the West during the High Middle Ages, which was followed by the Italian Renaissance and the Enlightenment, and the rest, as they say, is history....
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RE: Even if theism is a failure, it's still superior to atheism - by Jehanne - September 19, 2022 at 8:28 pm

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