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The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead.
(January 24, 2023 at 12:32 pm)Fake Messiah Wrote:
(January 24, 2023 at 11:53 am)GrandizerII Wrote: . Qualia are the phenomenal properties experienced through consciousness. For example, pain. Another example, the "redness" color. Another example, the "triangularity" shape. We observe qualia, and we try to account for them.

That is a generous way to put it because there is no evidence it exists.

From wikipedia

"various philosophers emphasize or deny the existence of certain features of qualia. Consequently, the nature and existence of qualia under various definitions remain controversial.
While some philosophers of mind like Daniel Dennett argue that qualia do not exist and are incompatible with neuroscience and naturalism, some neuroscientists and neurologists like Gerald Edelman, Antonio Damasio, Vilayanur Ramachandran, Giulio Tononi, Christof Koch and Rodolfo Llinás state that qualia exist and that the desire to eliminate them is based on an erroneous interpretation on the part of some philosophers regarding what constitutes science"


Indeed, this topic has turned into talking about concepts without clear definitions so some people pin whatever they want to "win the argument".

There is no way to establish through science that qualia (and phenomenal consciousness) are real, because they can only be observed from a first person perspective. If that's what you mean by "there is no evidence it exists", then great, I'm happy to agree.

Philosophers who deny qualia are real, and there are a handful of them, still agree that it does seem like we have something that it is like to feel pain, see "red", feel "smooth", etc. They agree that it does seem like we are observing these properties in a way that feels weird, they just reason further to say that nevertheless it's a trick of the brain.

Nice ad hominem there at the end, but that doesn't invalidate what I'm saying.
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RE: The Scripture Is False And The Biblical God Is Dead. - by GrandizerII - January 24, 2023 at 5:27 pm

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