Although you did answer most of my questions, you did not answer this one: Is your god sitting next to this child? And if he is - why is he watching him suffer and die in horrible misery?
No, there are not a myriad of alternative answers for an all-powerful god. Your statement would indeed be fair if you believed in the deist god (a creator of the universe and nothing more) but you do not. Your bible requires adherence to his ability of omnipresence, and what it comes down to is good old fashioned cherry picking. Either god knows all and ignores the suffering or he doesn't know all and just hasn't gotten around to it yet. Furthermore, the idea of teaching lessons or testing people (by the billions) makes your god look even worse. What lesson are you trying to teach a million people born with a face tumor and for that matter how sadistic is it to "test" people with a disease there is no cure for. The "lessons/testing" theory is more damning to your religion than anything else.
But that's really not what I'm getting at is it...
El Deniro understands what my point is. Prayer.
You believe god helps you (that's the cherry pick of his omnipotence) but you ignore the fact that your prayers can do absolutely nothing about feeding Africa and curing aides.
Point made.
You do realize this is a lie if you regularly thank him for your food.
I'm not attacking you in any way regarding your personal morality. I am (as always) attacking the retarded, illogical ideology of christianity - specifically prayer as it pertains to the supposed omnipotence of your god. The power of prayer does not exist - because he does not exist.
You hit the nail on head here. You said my dichotomy is not scriptural exegesis. In a way you're both wrong and right. The immorality of your god in the scriptures fits perfectly with what we see in the real world. He only gives a shit about the people that jerk him off, you basically admitted this yourself when you wrote:
"Faith of a mustard seed" my ass.
.....my God may very well be useless, but at least he's useless because he's not here. Yours is just a useless prick because he chooses to be so.
Doesn't matter. The overwhelming evidence shows that there IS NO GOD hanging around on this planet and ignoring studies like the one Heather posted is just very very typical of every religious robot I've ever met.
(December 8, 2011 at 2:25 am)tackattack Wrote: Firstly, your questions.
How so? because by definition a false dilemma is a type of logical fallacy that involves a situation in which only two alternatives are considered, when in fact there are additional options. There are a myriad of alternative answers you intentionally leave out of your seemingly exhaustive dichotomy. Perhaps he chooses whom to help or when, perhaps it's a lesson, perhaps he enjoys siffering, perhaps he doesn't care... there are truly tons of other alternatives.
No, there are not a myriad of alternative answers for an all-powerful god. Your statement would indeed be fair if you believed in the deist god (a creator of the universe and nothing more) but you do not. Your bible requires adherence to his ability of omnipresence, and what it comes down to is good old fashioned cherry picking. Either god knows all and ignores the suffering or he doesn't know all and just hasn't gotten around to it yet. Furthermore, the idea of teaching lessons or testing people (by the billions) makes your god look even worse. What lesson are you trying to teach a million people born with a face tumor and for that matter how sadistic is it to "test" people with a disease there is no cure for. The "lessons/testing" theory is more damning to your religion than anything else.
But that's really not what I'm getting at is it...
El Deniro understands what my point is. Prayer.
You believe god helps you (that's the cherry pick of his omnipotence) but you ignore the fact that your prayers can do absolutely nothing about feeding Africa and curing aides.
Quote: Does your god help you with the simple goings-on of your daily life? sometimes
Point made.
Quote:Did god provide you with that ham sandwich you ate at lunch time? no
You do realize this is a lie if you regularly thank him for your food.
Quote:Secondly, I feel this is an afront to my pesonal morality, not because I'm offended by the images, but because it's just as bad at anti-abortion protestors carrying around aborted fetuses to throw in people's face. IMO, you should never use another's unintentional suffering as a point to win an argument. Not that I'm unmoved by the human suffering in these photos. Truly it grieves me that I haven't done enough personally to help human suffering.
I'm not attacking you in any way regarding your personal morality. I am (as always) attacking the retarded, illogical ideology of christianity - specifically prayer as it pertains to the supposed omnipotence of your god. The power of prayer does not exist - because he does not exist.
Quote:What you're doing here though is not that though. You're attempting to get to the point of God allows everything or God does everything. That is not scriptual exegesis. God clearly doesn't allow or approve of all things. God clearly, while the originating cause, doesn't do everything although he might have the power to. You're creating a false dichotomy intending to shed a negative light on Christianity while Jesus, our example, served the poor and starving food, healed the sick and ministered to the suffering. I think at best it serves to exacerbate how far away from God, humanity (Christianity included) has come from God's standard.
You hit the nail on head here. You said my dichotomy is not scriptural exegesis. In a way you're both wrong and right. The immorality of your god in the scriptures fits perfectly with what we see in the real world. He only gives a shit about the people that jerk him off, you basically admitted this yourself when you wrote:
In POST 21 tackattack Wrote:I think God helps me because it glorifies Him, it could be very well that I deserve it more or asked more...However, a god that "clearly doesn't allow or approve of all things" is not much of a god and there are certainly millions of christians out there who would call you a heretic for this. Once again, a perfect example of christians cherry picking what you want out of the Bible and offering up your own explanations to save face (your gods face) regarding the unimaginable amount of suffering that goes unchecked on this planet.
"Faith of a mustard seed" my ass.
.....my God may very well be useless, but at least he's useless because he's not here. Yours is just a useless prick because he chooses to be so.
Doesn't matter. The overwhelming evidence shows that there IS NO GOD hanging around on this planet and ignoring studies like the one Heather posted is just very very typical of every religious robot I've ever met.