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Is Islam A Death Cult?
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RE: Is Islam A Death Cult?
(April 22, 2023 at 11:34 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote:
(April 18, 2023 at 8:10 am)Leonardo17 Wrote: I did some spiritual research on that. I think it’s as simple as this: If everyone in a marching military unit starts thinking “I would like to sea the sea before I die”, “I would like to unite with my lover and see if my children will be male or female”, “I could help my father work the land more efficiently” etc, that army will start moving backward instead of moving forward.
 
After the Battle of Thermopilae (Movie= 300 Spartans) the Spartans erected a monument there with this inscription:

Ὦ ξεῖν', ἀγγέλλειν Λακεδαιμονίοις ὅτι τῇδε
κείμεθα, τοῖς κείνων ῥήμασι πειθόμενοι.
 
“O stranger, tell the Lacedaemonians (Spartans) that
we lie here, obedient to their words.[144]

Thermopylae
 
 
Meaning: “O passenger, know that we died here as soldier (we died well) because we chose to obey to the order that were given to us”
 
- So this is a cultural phenomenon. People are said to have died well when they do it to defend other lives and the Quran is backing this approach. (that’s how I see it)

Remembering the soldiers that have died is a sign of respect. Like I said, the united statian culture, they call them heroes just like they call the surving soldiers heroes.
They don’t elevate the dead to a special status, they don’t use religion to promise to them a special heroes place in heaven.

Usually. the USA sends soldiers to defend itself from enemies who attacks one of their military installations, or an embassy, or building in New York and elsewhere.
The USA invests heavily into its spy network to gather intelligence on its enemies and to stop them from bombing some location on their soil.
It is better to take the intelligence approach since it saves lives and avoids sending a portion of their army to a foreign soil and spending big money on bombs.

The Islamic way is different. The dead are given a special status: the martyrs. Sometimes, the islamic leader (which has a telephone with the jewish god) promises a special place in heaven or 72 virgins.

I had a quick look at wikipedia:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jihad

Quote:The Messenger of Allah was asked about the best jihad. He said: "The best jihad is the one in which your horse is slain and your blood is spilled."

 — cited by Ibn Nuhaas and narrated by Ibn Habbaan[45]



So, there are different levels of jihad. The above is the best jihad.

Now, some would say that I am misinterpreting the above line and that it means self defense.
I disagree. The islamic world goes nuts when some guy burns a Koran or insults the creator of the Islamic religion.
They are ready for war for basically a few insults.
The USA and similar countries don’t give a damn if you insult them or burn their flag.
Recently, a muslim used that argument. He said “How would you like it if we burned your flag”.
I told him, go for it as long as you buy it with your own money.

We burn the flag too when we protest our government. The flag is not sacred.

So, for the USA and similar countries, they are not interested in sending their soldiers to their death unless there is a physical threat. Gathering intelligence helps to stop the evildoers.
The evildoers are muslims who don’t want a foreign army on their soil or they want Israel to belong to them.
The USA doesn’t promise its soldiers a piece of heaven if they sacrifice their lives.
We don’t need to tell them that.

I think the reason for that is that the soldiers in USA are people who want to be soldiers. In the muslim world, they want to conduct a jihad and they need to force all their people, all their farmers, all their programmers, doctors, veterinarians, cupcake makers and all to go to holy war.

In George Orwell’s “Animal Farm” heaven is described to the animals living in the farm (as semi-human creatures) as a place where they can have a limitless amount of sugar.
 
So why aren’t we challenging these “women in heaven” issue as well? What if I am asexual? Or If I go there without a body (which is completely obvious to me), How do I … you know even if I want to? I remember an old guy saying “We are definitely not taking the right path if we are to go to heaven”. (Meaning how do you go below and end up there – It doesn’t make any sense).
 
So I believe that this, and all the other issues are things that the spiritual seeker has to solve one-by-one, year after year.
 
To me “Heaven” means infinity. Like the sky in the material world, it’s endless. So dying, in any way, means there is a journey beyond this physical realm.
 
The Martyr in Islam is similar to the martyr in Christianity. That person refuses to bow to brutal force, because of a belief in a higher reality, and ends up dead.
 
In order to be a military martyr, you have to do like the Greeks or Tom Cruise in “The Last Samurai". You have “To die as you lived” or you have to “end well” we use the exact same term in my language. We say “he ended well” and (I studied Greek in College) in various texts the Greek say that a person who died in a war has “Ended well”.
 
And I don’t really know what is the whole problem with these women in the fields of Heaven. Still I did some interesting reading today. So maybe this has to do with ancient societies suppressing sexuality completely or limiting it to the realm of procreation. (I mean Dark Age Societies – Some Hindu Traditions have this System, they define the Era between 1200 BC – the Bronze age collapse 800 BC – The start of Classical Greek Period – and 1400 AD  -The renaissance / 1700 AD – Industrial Age as a Dark Age in term of energies spiritual knowledge). So the rulers of the Dark Age had to make their people obey. As Confucius said they had to “keep their stomach full and their brains empty”. In a village the village headsman had to be respected. In a family, the Father was a very important figure and therefore had to be respected. And this could be done just with “no desert / TV for you tonight go straight to bed”. Fear had to be used. Today we totally despise these things. We Think of Russia as a terrorist state now. Back in the 10th century, this was simply the main method of controlling people. Therefore you could have them work in the field for very little with a promise of “Heaven” for being pious servants of their lord and their church. We despise it today, but so had to be family issues. People died of many things so women had to be pregnant all the time. You couldn’t afford them to say “I only want 3 children” So which method will you use? – One method was to tell them that Eve was created second after Adam and that it was her who caused all the evil in this world by picking up the forbidden fruit and causing us to land in this planet.
 
   And “low self-esteem” was a great thing too. The İranian regime / the Dictatorial Sudanese regime is all based on that. They tell their people “You are not like westerners, you are just animals, therefore you need me”. Today we are revolted to these things. But this is how things had to be done in the Dark Age cultures by religious figures who were slightly more aware than the ordinary masses.
 
   So I mean the whole thing a matter of adaptation of the original teachings. You can’t reduce Sex to simple procreation today. Or you can’t create ignorant / brainwashed masses who will go wherever you want them to go. Why? Because we need self-conscious / creative / Self-loving and confident citizens because they are the ones who make society work. We don’t have Absolute monarchs anymore.
 
And the issue of martyrs is also something like that. I don’t need stories like that. If the Russians came here I would go and defend my country. Period.
 
And on those “wrong” interpretation of religious messages: People like me (of any religion) know these things. We don’t wait until they become terrorists. We are able to see that when they start selling their religion to other people or start to act like fanatics or philistines on some simple religious issues. We really do. But usually we don’t talk as much as they do. The reason for that is that these people feed on us. If a person like that is reading me right now, they will pick up the “good stuff”, mix it with their twisted interpretation and use the whole thing to create something like this Starvation Cult in Kenya:
 
https://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-65363585
 
The only issue here is that we still have brains. So Mons are Mons and we are what we are. That’s how I see it Smile

Second Part:

 
I don’t see it that way. I think symbols must be respected. There are stories about Romans paying enormous sums or engaging into war to recover the standards of their legion. I don’t believe in prohibiting it. But if something means something to someone, you are attacking that person by attacking that object.
 
Some nations are simply more patriotic. But I don’t agree with burning the US Flag because there are people who died to defend it. So to me it’s not an adult thing to do such things Smile
 
The Issue of Israel:
 
I’m not a political scientist but this is a completely messed up situation. I believe that my country should stay out of it. I say “Let them deal on this issue with one another, because I really don’t care”
 
Yet the complete issue doesn’t seem like the attitude of a grown up to me. Like the issue of Climate change.
 
All three religion are living at that place right? How about turning that mosque into a temple for all three monotheistic religion? O better, Let us build two other temples right next to it and lets focus on other issues?
 
Why I see it this way?
 
- Because I talking about some inner reality. I personally do not need a monument to connect with God. Of course I like visiting Religious structures. But I don’t need nothing that’s physical to experience this inner reality. Some amount of quietness and loneliness maybe. But that’s all.
 
So when I see those images of people fighting one another inside a mosque in the Muslim Holyday celebrations my point of view is that something really stupid is going on.
I fact our world is headed toward disaster. And that’s because our spiritual understanding is very low. We are still under the influence of this “dark age”. And if we are unable to change it, I don’t know how far we will go with that level of stupidity.
 
Seriously what is this?
 
- Oh my temple my God
- Noooo! My temple my God.
- No God has four Arms
- Nooooo He has only 2…
 
Where is this even going. As I said. The people like me, we see these things Smile
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Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 1, 2023 at 5:07 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 1, 2023 at 7:37 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2023 at 8:10 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 1, 2023 at 8:22 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 1, 2023 at 8:42 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:08 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 1, 2023 at 8:20 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by no one - April 1, 2023 at 8:38 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Grand Nudger - April 1, 2023 at 9:48 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:15 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 1, 2023 at 10:14 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Fireball - April 4, 2023 at 9:23 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:37 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by no one - April 1, 2023 at 10:31 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by The Valkyrie - April 1, 2023 at 2:31 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:27 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Ferrocyanide - April 2, 2023 at 2:33 pm
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Goosebump - April 3, 2023 at 3:01 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Leonardo17 - April 9, 2023 at 10:29 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by Rev. Rye - April 3, 2023 at 3:39 am
RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by WinterHold - April 4, 2023 at 9:13 pm
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RE: Is Islam A Death Cult? - by WinterHold - April 9, 2023 at 12:29 pm
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