RE: How much pain can atheists withstand ?
May 12, 2023 at 2:53 pm
(This post was last modified: May 12, 2023 at 2:54 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(May 12, 2023 at 2:25 pm)Kingpin Wrote: I will borrow from William Lane Craig on this morality from God being subjective because he puts it so eloquently.
"You argue that a God who possesses subjective feelings cannot be the foundation of objective moral values. But this is confused. I’ve argued that objective moral values are rooted in God's nature, not in His will, and that that nature expresses itself toward us in the form of divine commandments, which constitute our moral duties. God may have subjective feelings, but these are not the basis of moral value or obligation. Far from being incompatible with objective moral values and duties, subjective feelings like compassion, moral indignation, sympathy, and so on are actually part of being a perfectly good moral agent.
I suspect that the problem is that you don’t share some of the moral feelings ascribed to God and so reject His being the foundation of morality. But then you find yourself in a rather peculiar situation. For you’ve told us that you don’t think objective moral values and duties exist. So why the indignation about a jealous, vengeful, and self-absorbed God? On your view there’s nothing wrong with having such feelings! On your view the only objection to theistic morality must be a consistency objection, that theistic-based morality is somehow inconsistent. I can’t help but suspect that, in fact, you do believe in objective moral values after all."
OFC a god that possesses subjective feelings cannot be the foundation of objective moral values, but neither can a god that possesses no subjective feelings. Because objective moral values are not premised on gods or feelings. Objective moral values can only be premised on one thing - moral facts. That's what defines an objective moral system.
I am interested in what moral feelings you think I don't share with whatever god you believe in? Also why it would even matter if we didn't share feelings? Any rate, I'm a moral realist - I do think that there are moral facts, which is why I reject the subjective moralities of gods and the relative moralities of the communities that worship them.
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