RE: How much pain can atheists withstand ?
May 12, 2023 at 3:30 pm
(This post was last modified: May 12, 2023 at 3:37 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
It's extremely clear how an objective morality is defined regardless of whether or not I'm right about there being one. Sure, some objective moral values or statements take more disicipline, consideration, or information to arrive at than -any- subjective moral value...but is that a problem? How would we answer these questions in the subjective moral system you described?
Is cutting off someones leg right or wrong, murder..right or wrong? Well, does god cut off legs, god ever murder a motherfucker? Yup and Yup...bingo bango, must be kosher.
You could, you're right, insist that I don't have any way to access a moral fact. That's not really a theist thing, believing in fairies doesn't grant you any special ability or credibility on that count, lol. I'd disagree, but if you were right, then that would mean we have no objective moralities, and..ofc, could not actually assess whether our divine moralities were right or wrong..either.
You can see how all of this is amusing as the fallout of attempting to claim objective morality for gods. Yes? Meanwhile, the difficulty I'm supposed to having with my objective moral values in the case of incomplete information is no difficulty at all. I reserve moral judgement when I have incomplete moral information.
Is cutting off someones leg right or wrong, murder..right or wrong? Well, does god cut off legs, god ever murder a motherfucker? Yup and Yup...bingo bango, must be kosher.
You could, you're right, insist that I don't have any way to access a moral fact. That's not really a theist thing, believing in fairies doesn't grant you any special ability or credibility on that count, lol. I'd disagree, but if you were right, then that would mean we have no objective moralities, and..ofc, could not actually assess whether our divine moralities were right or wrong..either.
You can see how all of this is amusing as the fallout of attempting to claim objective morality for gods. Yes? Meanwhile, the difficulty I'm supposed to having with my objective moral values in the case of incomplete information is no difficulty at all. I reserve moral judgement when I have incomplete moral information.
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