(July 26, 2023 at 8:44 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: You probably don't want to associate yourself with any of our muslims.
I think you know the ones I am talking about
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I think I have a moral obligation to do that. See for instance. In the movement of mass protests that followed the terror attacks of Charlie Hebdo in January 2015, people were shouting “God is great and so is the Republic”.
Think of it for a minute. “The Republic / The Nation” is great. There is no doubt about this. You are talking about an idea / or an ideal in Plato’s terms (remember the allegory of the cave). So yes an idea is immortal (Remember the movie V for Vendetta – featuring Natalie Protman 2005). I totally agree with that. Bigots would like to have you think that this is idolatry. But no. For me the republic is an ideal. Just like “The Party” (if you happen to be a communist). So you are on a level that is higher than the material plane but still within the area of thought and the human intellect.
Now what about God? – In this example “God” seems to be a cosmic persona at best (like Zeus seated on mount Olympus). And yes, it’s exactly the same thing. You are in the realm of tought and intellect or the world of ideas / ideals as Plato would define it.
For me, talking about God in that way, which is defined in the spiritual literature as “The Force that is the cause and origin of all creation (meaning the entire universe)” is idolatry pure and simple.
I don’t know if this is very complicated to the reader
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As I said before, if you are limited in your thinking, than you have to be humble. Meaning you don’t preach to other people, you don’t impose nothing on other people, you don’t try to force other people… More elderly people had that. Meaning they had their belief systems but they were not so vocal about people attacking their fate or anything like that. So someone or something has to draw the line with the newer generation of bigots.
And that’s also happening everywhere. Look at Israel for instance. It’s a totally different culture than mine but what is according to you the reason why orthodox Jews are trying to end democracy in that geography even although it’s a completely different culture and geography?
My explanation is this: The Ego of a spiritual seeker is as strong as the ego of any other mundane person. And bigotry is a sign of a deep ego consciousness. So people who are “spiritual” must work on themselves rather than others.
But that’s my own spiritual approach. And you may share your Materialistic / Newtonian approach if you like
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