(December 20, 2011 at 4:18 pm)Perhaps Wrote:(December 20, 2011 at 4:07 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: The Heaven-Hell model doesn't answer where we came from before we were born. If there is such a thing as "souls" and these things are eternal, then there must be a "herebefore" as well as a "hereafter".
Amazing point, I've never even given consideration to this while debating fundamentalists. What or where was the soul before it belonged to you? Plenty of people can make comments about what happens afterwards, but I doubt very many consider where it is before hand.
Thank you. I'd first asked that question when I was a very young child, long before I'd even thought of death. Mom and dad were talking with some others about a vacation they'd taken. I asked why I didn't remember it. They told me it was before I was born. Where was I then, I wondered? The idea that I didn't exist at some point in the past broke my very young brain. Long before I knew the word "sentience" or could have even said it, I found consciousness and the experience of reality from one sole perspective to be mind boggling.
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