Our server costs ~$56 per month to run. Please consider donating or becoming a Patron to help keep the site running. Help us gain new members by following us on Twitter and liking our page on Facebook!
Current time: June 17, 2024, 2:03 pm

Thread Rating:
  • 0 Vote(s) - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
#73
RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
(November 9, 2023 at 7:35 am)Istvan Wrote:
(November 9, 2023 at 5:17 am)FrustratedFool Wrote: If our behaviours are determined then not only is moral responsibility/morality as most understand it now a redundant concept
All we were saying is that we still have the anxiety of making decisions, knowing what society considers acceptable behavior. Even if we reject the idea of free will, we still would teach kids what constitutes ethical behavior, expect people to abide by their promises and honor their contracts, etc. Advocates of the no-free-will idea like Sabine Hossenfelder are careful to make a distinction between determinism and fatalism; our choices are part of the process or algorithm or whatever, so we're still obliged to treat decisions like they matter.

And even if we reject the idea of free will, we don't just allow people to murder and rape without consequences. I assume there would be some method of dealing with destructive behavior that doesn't rely on religious moralism, but it would still broadly resemble punishment.

Quote:if we simply build a big enough computer and get enough information about the present we can with 100% accuracy know the entire past and predict the entire future.  
"Simply"? Sounds like sci-fi fantasy to me.

Quote: free from the cause-effect chain of physics.
I figure if we're looking at physics to tell us about ethical decision-making, we already know what answers we consider acceptable.

1)  Agreed.  Consequences etc would still exist (and we would want them to).  But the language and implications becomes markedly different.  Ethics really then becomes about behaviour modification and enlightened self-interest, not the breaking of some objective moral code.  And people are no longer evil or bad, merely unlucky.  Rehabilitive justice becomes more consistent than retributive.  And so on.  The implications are still large.  And even affect personal respones (since accepting that freewill likely doesn't exist, I've become far more forgiving, less judgemental, and more inclined to accept a nanny-state etc).

2) Yes, lol, 'simply' in the comparative sense of it's just a straightforward tech issue, not an issue of something being utterly incalculable.  

3) I don't follow your point about physics and ethics.
Reply



Messages In This Thread
RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will - by FrustratedFool - November 9, 2023 at 7:51 am

Possibly Related Threads...
Thread Author Replies Views Last Post
  Stupid things religious people say Foxaèr 1182 89581 June 13, 2024 at 3:13 pm
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  What is a theist other then the basic definition? Quill01 4 750 August 1, 2022 at 11:16 am
Last Post: onlinebiker
  Why people remain in cultlike religious communities Won2blv 6 697 April 1, 2022 at 7:59 pm
Last Post: Rev. Rye
  Isn’t pantheism the same thing as atheism? Ferrocyanide 177 11794 January 1, 2022 at 2:36 am
Last Post: Ferrocyanide
  forbidding people to love each other Fake Messiah 210 25244 September 16, 2021 at 1:23 am
Last Post: Fake Messiah
  One cool thing about Christianity and Islam Edge92 55 3933 June 4, 2021 at 9:31 pm
Last Post: Angrboda
  Flat Earther, and other conspiracy theories. Are they mostly atheists? Ferrocyanide 95 7481 April 26, 2021 at 3:56 am
Last Post: Tomatoshadow2
  "Thou shalt have no other gods before Me" ignoramus 121 21864 March 5, 2021 at 6:42 am
Last Post: arewethereyet
  Religious people in the medical field Foxaèr 35 7229 November 11, 2018 at 10:54 am
Last Post: Angrboda
  Are religious people really afraid of death? Alexmahone 36 5170 July 3, 2018 at 12:50 pm
Last Post: purplepurpose



Users browsing this thread: 3 Guest(s)