RE: A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will
November 10, 2023 at 12:40 pm
(This post was last modified: November 10, 2023 at 12:42 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
(November 10, 2023 at 12:12 pm)Angrboda Wrote:(November 10, 2023 at 11:34 am)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sure, I mean - we could go all the way down the tree of why a legal system would have a compelling interest in preventing arson but at the end of it all, as with any other thing - we'll arrive at some just so statements.
We do restrict the practices of smoking and drinking. Heavily. You have to be the right age, in the right place, at the right time, not doing the wrong thing...and you're gonna pay. Pay pay pay. Pay the sin tax. Pay the revenue trap tax. Pay the premium increases.
Yes, and I think when you get down to those just so statements they will be of the form X wants Y, which isn't a rational, objective justification.
Restrict was a poor word choice on my part, but you know better. We don't deny smokers and drinkers their liberty. So you've made a false equivalence.
We do imprison people for smoking, full stop. We also imprison people for any number of alcohol related activities. I'm not interested in creating an equivalence between them. Maybe, maybe drunk driving and arson are close in alot of peoples minds? Just pointing out that we do these things - it's not like our legal system is only picking on the arsonists. If we're not making equivalences then there's little sense in asking why this one but not the other. Because they are not equivalent. We've gone the other way with it, arson I mean....too. We've legitimized and sanctioned arson. Arson has at times been believed to be a civic duty.
Sure though, at the bottom of every legal system is someone or something that wants x. A king, a council, a people, a state. I'm not convinced that because something is desirable, that means it cannot be rational or objective - though legal systems do try their best to prove me wrong!
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