A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will

[ShinyCrystals]

Look, no need to get worked up about this. It was a mistake, okay? No need to magnify this at all. Besides, I was just talking about free will, in the wrong way. Seems like I missed something, but as this was said merely in the wrong terms, I do not think this is worth arguing about. I mean, it happens.

I know what I was talking about, I just did not use the right words. I did not mean to say it so that every other concept did not exist.

I'm not "worked up". I'm pointing out that human concepts are just as real -- material -- as anything else, so  the conclusion that they don't exist in nature is fundamentally flawed.

I'm not upset. I like accurate language, especially in a format where it is the only means of communicating. I will make it quite clear when I'm pissed; now isn't one of those times.

I see. It did seem you were kind of worked up, though.

Let me try once more to explain what I actually meant.

Free will is a something (don't quote me on that, I don't know what to actually call it yet) it is part of human reality; reality being used for a lack of a better word. By human reality, I mean the reality as seen by humans, as described by humans and how humans perceive reality, which is different from the reality that governs everything outside of human reality itself, the physical world, that is. Now, both the human reality and the reality outside human reality have their own laws, aspects, and so on in them.

What I think I was trying to say is that free will is part of the human reality, in my eyes, that is. I do not think that free will is something that goes with the reality outside human reality, the rest of the known universe. The reality outside human reality deals with how the mind works, or how it might work, since we don't know about the mind that much.

With that, I don't think the reality outside of human reality would allow for something like free will, or allow it to exist, and even if it did, it would be different from how we perceive free will. I mean, the human reality and the reality outside human reality are two different things here. Human reality is more subjective and the reality outside human reality is more objective, including with things we might not know, at least not yet.