A thing about religious (and other) people and the illusion of free will

[Thumpalumpacus]

"Um", no, you made this claim as well: "If free will does not exist, and there is evidence that it does not [...]"

I want to see that evidence, if you might provide it that'd be great.

"Um", lol. Look at you getting all snarky 'n' shit.

I was not being snarky, at all. And furthermore, I was not trying to start a debate or try to prove anything, too, with evidence. If you must know, neuroscience says that it is the subconsciousness that determines human actions, not the conscious mind. Still, I am sure I know what you are trying to do, and you did the same with @bucky Ball earlier on this thread. I am not falling for that a second time.

Because I was not trying to cause a debate, and because I can see where this is going, you're not going to be shown evidence. I was not asking for a debate, I was only asking a question. I am not doing this.

That's fine. I will still comment as I see fit. I'm trying to elucidate exactly what this evidence is. Your refusal to produce it is a you problem. I'm also trying to figure out what you two mean when you use certain words in non-standard meanings. Don't blame me for wanting clear English in a discussion, and don't get pissy at me for it.

And yes, starting a reply with "um" is snarky, at least online.

In conversation, a word that announces one's contempt for and hostility toward the person they're about to contradict. Most common on the Internet, for obvious reasons.

So yeah. I didn't ask for you to state that there's evidence. I want to read the source material for myself so I'm not getting it filtered through your biases.

[...] since it is said by neuroscience that it is the subconsciousness deterministically making the "decisions"

[Emphasis added -- Thump]

And how are these decisions known to be deterministic? What if someone has conditioned themselves -- by their own decision and design -- to respond a certain way in a certain circumstance? Is it determinism if one makes a conscious choice to become a doctor, and then unconsciously perseveres through difficulties in med school without thinking?

You are loading your points with assumptions.