(November 30, 2023 at 1:14 pm)FrustratedFool Wrote:(November 30, 2023 at 12:43 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Sure, any statement - obviously the thread is mostly about statements of value. What is important, how it's important, who it's important to, what it's important for.
I literally just told you what I mean by objective, after you asked me what I meant by objective...after I'd already told you what I meant by objective. Look, you don't have to agree ...and I do keep saying "rightly or wrongly"..... but it's ridiculous to pretend the question hasn't been answered, and answered at length, as to what I mean. I'm a talkative bitch.
I'm slow.
Please define what you mean by objective.
Quote:I know that when I say something is important I'm trying to communicate something about the object in question, about the object of the statement itself. Not whether or not a god also exists or has it's own opinion on the object.
Quote:Simply put, the purported value or importance of water is not a Fool fact, or a Nudger fact, or an Ahri fact. It's a water fact.
Quote:Now, because I'm an objectivist, when I want to argue with a person over whether or not something is or could be important and how.... I don't launch into a pointless other argument about whether or not some god also exists. I talk about the thing I'm making claims about itself.
Quote:The notion that moral statements purport to report facts and insomuch as they accurately report those facts they should be treated like any other statement that purports to report a fact and accurately reports it.
Quote:Say someone says they think cats are important. That's them telling you they think that cats exist, too. Granted, they may be wrong. Cativism may be false, but they're a cativist all the same. No?
Quote:That's why people so often attempt to back up their opinions with facts.
Quote:Do you not follow because you or I have some fact of the matter wrong? Objective.
Quote:It's an issue of smarts (and you may have the relationship inverted). Objective.
If you knew more, or if I knew more, maybe we would be able to follow or agree.
Quote:Objectivism is the notion that statements purport to report facts and either succeed or fail to report those facts.
All but one or two of these are responses to you..that you..yourself..have quoted and responded to.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
