RE: Is there a Moderate Form of Political Islam?
March 9, 2024 at 10:16 am
(This post was last modified: March 9, 2024 at 10:38 am by The Grand Nudger.)
They did ask, multiple times. We didn't want to sell them our newest stuff. By the time we agreed to sell them they'd already bought the s4. The other issue is that they're expensive. Turkey still wanted them, but only if other nato countries would subsidize their purchase....and wouldn't you know it, turkey had been pissing off other nato countries (and the us) even as it was holding it's hat out begging for cash to build it's own military.
Nevertheless, turkey has had patriot systems in country from time to time. Loaners from other countries (like your nukes). In the wider balance of things, Turkey has been the recipient of incredible financial and military largesse from the us. It was probably a bad idea to go down the islamist route, if..ofc, anyone wanted to see that continue, lol.
The patriot is the most successful sam of it's kind on the market, and the s400..it turns out, is dogshit. A paper tiger, like the country that sold them. The evidence that all of the russian weapons were in this sorry state had been growing for some time..but there was the useful myth that us arms manufacturers relied on - plus the fact that russian weapons are the budget entry option for despots and dictators the world over, pushing back against that. The real hit to russia from ukraine is that they're going to international weapons conventions and no one is buying. For turkey, buyers remorse is understandable. Not only did the islamists decide to buy bargain basement garbage, it prevented them from acquiring better shit to replace other garbage.
Now....to the other thing. If religious populism is bad, then there must be something wrong with the religion. Religions are ideas about how we should organize our societies to effect the world around us. It doesn't really make sense to say that we ought to organize our societies in way x, but also that organizing our societies in way x is doodoo. That these rules x are the Good Rules, but also that following them makes The Bad Thing. Maybe, just maybe, the precepts which facillitated a 7th century warlord and his entourage doing whatever the fuck they were already going to do was never a good way to organize ones society, ones private life, or ones "spirituality".
Nevertheless, turkey has had patriot systems in country from time to time. Loaners from other countries (like your nukes). In the wider balance of things, Turkey has been the recipient of incredible financial and military largesse from the us. It was probably a bad idea to go down the islamist route, if..ofc, anyone wanted to see that continue, lol.
The patriot is the most successful sam of it's kind on the market, and the s400..it turns out, is dogshit. A paper tiger, like the country that sold them. The evidence that all of the russian weapons were in this sorry state had been growing for some time..but there was the useful myth that us arms manufacturers relied on - plus the fact that russian weapons are the budget entry option for despots and dictators the world over, pushing back against that. The real hit to russia from ukraine is that they're going to international weapons conventions and no one is buying. For turkey, buyers remorse is understandable. Not only did the islamists decide to buy bargain basement garbage, it prevented them from acquiring better shit to replace other garbage.
Now....to the other thing. If religious populism is bad, then there must be something wrong with the religion. Religions are ideas about how we should organize our societies to effect the world around us. It doesn't really make sense to say that we ought to organize our societies in way x, but also that organizing our societies in way x is doodoo. That these rules x are the Good Rules, but also that following them makes The Bad Thing. Maybe, just maybe, the precepts which facillitated a 7th century warlord and his entourage doing whatever the fuck they were already going to do was never a good way to organize ones society, ones private life, or ones "spirituality".
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