2024 US Presidential Election

[Ivan Denisovich]

Exactly. Basic decency isn't something to be rewarded, it is something to be expected. Though in times like this not going with the wave and not voting on fascists could be a badge of honor I guess but it only shows how much standards slipped.

Back when Bush was starting his unnecessary, immoral war we thought that his basic decency was in question. The wars killed a lot of people, after all. 

Like Bush-era Republicans, current Democrats support war, censorship, and a border wall (Harris recently reversed her position on this; she supports more wall now). 

We are all revved up to hate Trump now. That's good; there's a lot to hate there. But that doesn't forgive the evils of the past, or justify recreating those evils in the Democratic Party. 

It's possible for both sides to be bad.

Did I ever said that I deem Democrats to be good? They're better than trump but even dog shit on the sidewalk is better than him.

ETA: From outsider pov dems and repubs are somewhat like Poland two biggest parties - one is bad and other is fascist and plain crazy. And dems do appear to be better than Poland less bad party at least from a distance.