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Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory
Quote:So. . . you're supporting the bible? Because you seem to have used accurate quotes, but they don't really support the religious assertion that the bible is moral.
Dude, it's like someone coming up to me, I tell them about Das Kapital and how education and healthcare was free in the Soviet union, and he suddenly tells me that I'm supporting communism, where I was just stating facts.
Fug.
Quote:You said that an unmarried non-virgin would not be wanted by any men, so the rapist must marry her and be forced to provide for her. Sadly, in reality, the rapist would likely just rape her many more times, and be the absolute minimum he was required to be as a husband. He would provide no emotional comfort, and the woman would probably be miserable for most of her life. So this intended solution that the bible proposes fails in a way that a third grader could predict.
Dude, you're going into things that have nothing to do with this.
Besides, how do you know that this is going to be the way you describe it?
Most women of the time would have likely accepted their fate, and moved on anyways.

Quote:I propose that a better alternative would be to remove the stigma associated with not being a virgin. That way, the woman could go on to lead a normal life. But of course, the bible doesn't say that- because that would involve making women equal to men.
But the bible does, in fact. The punishment for adultery and voluntary fornication is the same for both men and women.
And how can you? If a man is no virgin, you have no way of determining that. But you can do that easily with a woman, that's why there is another law, that tells that a husband may challenge the honour of her wife by stating that she was no virgin during the first night, and her parents need to provide the blood stained sheets from the first night to prove it. If they can't, this'd mean that the usual punishment for fornication would take place, stoning.
Here, neither the woman, nor the man, has any other choice.

Quote:Point STILL remains, the bible is sexist
And my point is, that the bible is no more sexist than the standards of "sexism" for our times.
I think why it could be branded as sexist is that the woman are the ones which generally get raped, and women are the ones who actually consent to having sex. The man's opinion here does not really matter.
This is why virginity was something that was valued as a female virtue, rather than a male virtue.
Does that not ring true for today? It mostly comes down on the woman, to keep her chastity, as if she would want to lose it, she'd easily find someone to do it with. A man has no such luxury.
Quote:Shrimp eating- Abomination.
Yes, in the law of moses. Just like eating pig meat, shrimp was considered unclean by the dietary laws for Kosher.
Quoting Paul in Romans-14-14: "I know, and am persuaded by the Lord Jesus, that there is nothing unclean of itself; but to him that regardeth anything to be unclean, to him it is unclean."

Same with Matthew 15-11: "Not that which goeth into the mouth defileth a man; but that which cometh out of the mouth, this defileth a man."
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Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Barre - December 30, 2011 at 10:54 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 11:40 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Barre - January 1, 2012 at 5:50 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 5:53 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Barre - January 1, 2012 at 6:20 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 6:24 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Barre - January 22, 2012 at 7:37 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Norfolk And Chance - December 30, 2011 at 11:58 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Barre - January 1, 2012 at 5:55 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Barre - January 6, 2012 at 11:30 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 12:17 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Aegrus - December 30, 2011 at 2:07 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - December 30, 2011 at 2:11 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - December 30, 2011 at 2:46 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by kılıç_mehmet - December 30, 2011 at 5:40 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Aegrus - December 30, 2011 at 6:21 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Barre - January 1, 2012 at 6:25 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Norfolk And Chance - December 30, 2011 at 2:33 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Norfolk And Chance - December 30, 2011 at 2:49 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - December 30, 2011 at 2:54 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Epimethean - December 30, 2011 at 3:58 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - December 30, 2011 at 4:07 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Epimethean - December 30, 2011 at 4:14 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - December 30, 2011 at 4:45 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Epimethean - December 30, 2011 at 5:15 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - December 30, 2011 at 5:20 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by kılıç_mehmet - December 30, 2011 at 6:49 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - December 30, 2011 at 7:20 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by kılıç_mehmet - December 30, 2011 at 8:03 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - December 31, 2011 at 3:37 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Aegrus - December 30, 2011 at 10:11 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - December 30, 2011 at 11:08 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 1:03 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Cyberman - December 31, 2011 at 1:52 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Norfolk And Chance - December 31, 2011 at 10:15 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - December 31, 2011 at 5:20 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 2:25 am
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - December 31, 2011 at 3:13 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by kılıç_mehmet - December 31, 2011 at 6:00 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - December 31, 2011 at 5:32 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 2:32 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 1, 2012 at 5:00 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 2:50 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 4:28 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 4:37 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 4:44 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 4:52 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 4:57 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 5:03 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 5:21 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 5:28 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 1, 2012 at 5:38 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 5:50 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 5:31 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 5:34 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 6:01 am
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 1, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 6:51 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 7:12 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by 5thHorseman - January 1, 2012 at 7:01 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 1, 2012 at 7:25 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Cyberman - January 1, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - January 1, 2012 at 8:49 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 2, 2012 at 12:06 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - January 2, 2012 at 1:10 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 2, 2012 at 1:41 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 2, 2012 at 1:15 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Jackalope - January 2, 2012 at 2:44 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 2, 2012 at 2:28 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 2, 2012 at 3:13 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 2, 2012 at 4:47 am
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 2, 2012 at 1:20 pm
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 2, 2012 at 5:11 am
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 2, 2012 at 10:46 am
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 2, 2012 at 12:21 pm
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 2, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 2, 2012 at 1:35 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 2, 2012 at 2:10 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 2, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 2, 2012 at 8:14 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Epimethean - January 3, 2012 at 9:41 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 3, 2012 at 9:58 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 3, 2012 at 11:16 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Shell B - January 3, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 3, 2012 at 4:10 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 4, 2012 at 7:03 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 4, 2012 at 11:56 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 5, 2012 at 9:22 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 5, 2012 at 10:14 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by KichigaiNeko - January 5, 2012 at 9:25 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 5, 2012 at 9:39 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by KichigaiNeko - January 5, 2012 at 9:42 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by KichigaiNeko - January 5, 2012 at 10:16 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 5, 2012 at 10:27 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by KichigaiNeko - January 5, 2012 at 10:29 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 5, 2012 at 10:34 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by KichigaiNeko - January 5, 2012 at 10:39 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 5, 2012 at 10:42 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 5, 2012 at 10:52 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 5, 2012 at 11:00 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 5, 2012 at 11:01 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Shell B - January 6, 2012 at 9:20 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 5, 2012 at 11:27 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by LarissaAnn - January 5, 2012 at 12:04 pm
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by chi pan - January 6, 2012 at 9:06 pm
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by KichigaiNeko - January 7, 2012 at 10:06 am
RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Shell B - January 7, 2012 at 10:34 am
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RE: Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory - by Shell B - January 8, 2012 at 7:42 am
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