Primordial Sex--Eden as Allegory

[LarissaAnn]

We're comparing ancient (biblical) morality to modern (human) morality. Ancient morality is inferior.

well morality is not the same as law. there are many stupid laws today that i'm sure you don't agree with. they had a reason for those laws and the reason lies in the culture.

The few good morals you can find in the bible, love your neighbor as yourself, do not murder (that one in particular atheists obey more than religious followers as a whole) etc. are all old news to us in todays society.

is that so? why does most society not follow these things then? do not steal- how many pirating sites are there? do not lie - how many people cheat and plagiarise? it seams your arguement is flawed.

There is nothing new that the bible can teach us that mankind doesn't already know and no more good than man doesn't already practice.

gee i wonder where it all came from? morality as we know it today can be traced back to religion whether you like it or not. and is it not true that it's better to learn from the source than hearsay?
and if the bible has nothing new to teach us, why is it morality is getting more and more rediculous in America? a criminal can sue someone when they trip and hurt themselves in their house that they've broken into..... and win. people are suing fast food resteraunts b/c they are eating their food and getting fat.

the fact of the matter is our morallity is not getting better it's getting worse. today's morality is "it's only wrong if you get caught." we need some sort of doctrine to teach people common sense b/c as we've proven over and over, society does not just know common sense.

Homosexuality is only illegal in intolerant countries. Slowly but surely gay rights are being made into laws which pisses fundie Christians right off...remind me again, aren't anger and judging both sins??

well is that so? is that why Ohio is trying to get a state constitutional ammendment to try and make it illegal? it's not intolerant in the same way it's not intolerant that bestiality, polygamy, and necrofilia is illegal.

Your theory, Chipan, that homophobia is a term invented by homosexuals means that in return religious persecution can be seen as just a farce invented by Christians to convince us that they are being hated

for the last time they are not hated. we simply say that they are wrong in their actions. we do not hold anything against what they are but what they do. the same for petifiles.

1. God's LAW for a rapist to marry his victim is not MORAL...there's your tie between the two in this scenario...in this case the bible is wrong on both counts, stupid law, fueled by no morality.

2. Are you telling me no Christian has ever stolen before in history or in today's society? You don't need the bible to tell you not to steal, there are laws against theft and plagiarism in this country and many others; idiots who choose to violate those laws deserve the consequences.

3. Again I pose the question, are you telling me Christian's have never done anything immoral throughout history or in today's society? The Crusades, The Inquisition, The Salem Witch Trials, sexual abuse of minors in Catholic churches today...Christians don't follow their own morals very well do they? Bill Gates is an Atheist look at how generous and giving he is without having religion to tell him to do it.

4. Sue over when you break into someone's house? Sue because you're getting fat from eating McDonalds? Show me your sources for both of these cases being SUCCESSFULLY won? Besides, what is more immoral, people without a religion trying to sue for stupid reasons or a woman in the middle east being stoned to death because a religious book (the quran) said to stone her? Seems like your argument is, how did you say...flawed.

5. Again your sources for Ohio trying to make BEING GAY illegal and not just gay marriage?? According to my sources in 2011 55% of the backward state said same sex marriage should be illegal, not the practice of homosexuality itself. No way would the United States government allow the passing of a law making being gay illegal....what would the punishment be then Mr. Christian? Jail? Traditional Christian route perhaps with execution?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LGBT_rights_in_Ohio
FURTHERMORE, in 2011 the United States made it legal for gays and lesbians to serve openly in the military AND a poll in May said that 53% of American's as a whole supported gay marriage, compared to just last year when only 44% ...point being support for gay marriage and rights are raising.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/first-...riage.aspx