(July 8, 2009 at 4:10 am)Anto Kennedy Wrote: It's hard to exactly tell where the Jews originate from, but there are certain avenues to look down.
First do a search on the Hyksos, a Semitic slave race than lived in Egypt 1400-1200BC, also look for the Hapiru, again a slave race in Egypt 1400-1200BC. And really just look at the whole Levant area around that time, and the events of the Armana letters during the invasion of the Sea Peoples. The Kingdom of Israel was founded almost immediately after these events.
BTW Ledo, Baal was not a sun god. Baal was a title applied to many gods, but mostly to Hadad, a thunder god, the god of order.
And YHWH would have both Egyptian and Sumerian origins. There's an Egyptian primordial god with a name like "I am what I will be", but I can't for the life of me remember the name exactly. He represented the primordial chaos before creation though, and wasn't of the lower order of gods.
There is also an Egyptian moon god called Iah, which is probably where ledo gets his claim from, however the Israelites never used Egpytian names (even if they did have Egyptian gods). So the Afro-Asiatic Egpytian Iah is a completely different word from Semitic Hebrew Jah. Jah would most probably come from Yam, a semitc god of the primordial waters of creation.
Or it could be both. The Jews seem to have had no religion of their own, they just took bits and pieces of neighbouring religions and called themselves "God's People".
(July 7, 2009 at 8:48 pm)LEDO Wrote: Leprosy was a generic word for any skin disease, including leprosy. The nomadic band of lepers doesn't make any sense. The Jews did believe in YHWH and it appears from 11th century drawings YHWH was worshipped along side Baal and Ashera.
There were no Israelites or Jews in the 11th Century BC. And the first Israelite inscriptions, meantioning King Omri, date to the 9th Century BC.
I never said there were 11th century Jews. I claim there was an 11th century YHWH who was worshipped. My claim comes from a drawing depicting all 3, from an article from BAR magazine and has nothing to do with Egypt. Omri was an Amorite.
The Hyksos were not slaves, they were rulers. While references to Israel exist in 11th century, there is no reference to Jews or a specific Jewish religion. The Hapriu were wondering nomads. No one knows for certain who or what they were, so I won't pretend to and neither should you.The Jews grew out of the existing Canaanites. They did not come from anywhere. They had the same rites and believed in the same gods and spoke the same language without any Egyptian words that one would expect had they really come out of Egypt.
Many gods had the title Bel after their name when they were consolidating the gods. Baal specifically was a solar deity.
"On Earth as it is in Heaven, the Cosmic Roots of the Bible" available on the Amazon.