RE: Ben Shapiro vs Neil deGrasse Tyson: The WAR Over Transgender Issues
January 26, 2025 at 11:10 am
(January 24, 2025 at 3:32 pm)Sheldon Wrote:(January 24, 2025 at 1:40 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote: Well, morality can be objective.Whilst I'd agree that it is immoral to cause unnecessary harm, this is a subjective claim, it is not objectively true that causing unnecessary harm is immoral, obviously. That there is a broad consensus on any moral assertion, or even were it a universal consensus, doesn't make that moral assertion objectively true.
If harm is detectable by anyone, then it is objective. For example, it is pretty much generally accepted that we don't want to be punched in the face because it hurts, we don't want our stuff stolen from us. <====That is pretty universal and so, it goes into the objective box.
Other decisions, such as deciding that a 16 y old (and less) can't get married since he has not reach the age of consent and so it is immoral, that goes into the subjective box.
Ultimately all moral assertions rest on subjective claims, though once we agree on a moral assertion, we can of course make objectively true claims about how to best avoid those immoral acts, or achieve moral ones. For example if we agree it is immoral to cause (I would add the word unnecessary here) harm, then it is objectively true that punching someone for no good reason is immoral, but the moral assertion that causing (unnecessary) harm is immoral is still a subjective one.
It depends on how you define morality.
If you define morality as = causing harm is immoral.
Then, if person X punches person Y, person X is causing harm. He did an immoral act.
Humans are just machines and you can do damage to a machine.
I could punch a LCD monitor and the glass would crack. We can all agree that I broke the machine. It is an objective fact that I broke the machine.
Why would I call the situation between person X and Y subjective? Is it because person Y is a human?
The only thing that comes into play is that humans "want" or "don't want". Person Y does not want to be punched. The LCD monitor has no "want".
Some people might want to define morality as, it is wrong to punch another person in the face except if they have another skin color, they are a woman (physically), they come from another tribe, they are gay, they are transgender, they have another religion.
This is a case of a human wanting to harm another human because they hate them.