RE: Ben Shapiro vs Neil deGrasse Tyson: The WAR Over Transgender Issues
January 28, 2025 at 8:58 pm
(This post was last modified: January 28, 2025 at 9:05 pm by Sheldon.)
(January 28, 2025 at 7:49 pm)The Grand Nudger Wrote: Toes and murder is still on the table.You seem to have trimmed some words off my claim? So we went from:
Because I care is metaethically ambiguous, depending on what we mean there that's not at all clear from the written word but that would be in life or conversation. When we say things (and mean them) like.."I just follow my heart". In this case morality (or this moral explanation) isn't subjectivist, it's not even cognitivist. An objectivist notes that a pitch black heart also follows itself. To an objectivist, a things rightness and wrongness, a moral statements truth or falsity, isn't determined by or interchangeable with our emotional responses, attitudes, or predispositions. Sometimes they line up, sometimes they don't..and here again, like before, even as we see them.
So we have daylight again. In this case daylight between subjectivism and emotivism, but also between subjectivism and emotivism and our moral assertions or principles. There is additional content not described by explicitly or exclusively emotivist or subjectivist moral groundings individually or together. Our hearts and our care can be misplaced, mistaken, misused, misbegotten, and simply absent. Whether or not I care, in either sense, is not the truthmaking property in all moral statements, objectively or empirically speaking.
Just some bit of trivia about how much of an asshole I am, relatively speaking.
"I make moral judgments and claims, because I care how I treat others, and how others treat me..."
So while yes, one could claim a Nazis based their moral judgments by "following their heart", whatever that means, this seems to me like a false equivalence to my claim. FWIW I was not claiming this in any way represented or supported objective morality.
Quote:Toes and murder is still on the table.Why? No one has explained why it is objectively immoral to murder someone, or step on their toes, nor has anyone argued the two actions are comparable.
Quote:When we say things (and mean them) like.."I just follow my heart".
To be fair I neither said, nor would I ever say that, even as a metaphor, and I find myself grinding my teeth when others use it.
Quote:Our hearts and our care can be misplaced, mistaken, misused, misbegotten, and simply absent.
I agree, our emotion alone are not a sufficiently reliable indicator or judge for me to base my moral judgments on, I must also use my reason. None of which changes the fact that all moral assertions ultimately rest on subjective opinions, however well reasoned.
Quote:Whether or not I care, in either sense, is not the truthmaking property in all moral statements, objectively or empirically speaking.
Indeed not, nor did I mean to suggest it was, I was merely pointing out that empathy to me is / must be a sufficient basis for my (subjective) morality, as I don't believe that absolute or objective morality is possible, as ultimately all moral assertions rest on subjective opinions.