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Ben Shapiro vs Neil deGrasse Tyson: The WAR Over Transgender Issues
RE: Ben Shapiro vs Neil deGrasse Tyson: The WAR Over Transgender Issues
(January 30, 2025 at 12:25 pm)Ferrocyanide Wrote:
(January 28, 2025 at 12:03 pm)Sheldon Wrote: It seems clear enough, morality is defined as "principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behaviour."
Makes what unclear?

I don’t think it is clear enough because the definition is founded on the words “right” and “wrong” and those words aren’t clear.
So, go ahead and define right and wrong.
You can get the dictionary definition yourself in seconds online? just Google the word and write defintion after it. 
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Quote:Sheldon: Can you demonstrate objectively that causing pain is immoral? Otherwise as I said in that quote, you are ultimately resting your moral assertion on a subjective claim.

We can do it via steps.
Do you think that humans have pain sensors?

I see no steps, and no attempt to objectively demonstrate that causing pain is immoral, I asked a question based on your claim, and you have responded with a question, one that appears to have no bearing?
Quote:The rape part was objectively immoral.
Quote:Sheldon: I disagree, but if you think you can demonstrate this without resorting to a subjective moral claim please do.
Why do yo disagree? Show me your logical steps as to how you reached the conclusion that thinking rape is wrong is subjective?

The original claim was yours, I've underlined it above, and I then asked if you could support it with anything beyond the bare subjective claim, you have responding by asking me to disprove it? There seems to be a pattern emerging. FYI I believe your claim was subjective, as all you provided was the bare claim. 
Quote:Like I said previously, the definition of the word morality is unclear.
Yet you are making claim after claim using it? 
Quote:Just saying so and such is moral and this other thing is immoral is insufficient.
Just saying this is right and this is wrong is insufficient.
You need to support such claims by how you cam up with that conclusion.

I already did multiple times, that I think all moral claims ultimately rest on subjective opinion. Though it is odd you insist I owe more, when you are the one making claims that actions are objectively immoral, when you keep insisting you are not clear what the word means, and have offered no objective evidence at all? 
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Quote:Sheldon: Yes but the claim that causing damage to someone or something is immoral, is a subjective claim


How so? 

The subjective opinion was all you offered?
Quote:If I define immoral as the word damage.

Then it becomes meaningless, one might as well insist the moon is an orange, as that is how they've decided to arbitrarily define it, are you being entirely serious?
Quote:Rape causes damage therefore rape is immoral.

Only if one accepts that causing damaging is immoral, but then that is also subjective, thus far. 
Quote:You have already agreed that rape causes damage.

I agree that chocolate can damage your teeth, this doesn't make eating it immoral.
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RE: Ben Shapiro vs Neil deGrasse Tyson: The WAR Over Transgender Issues - by Sheldon - January 30, 2025 at 4:05 pm

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