People Behave Socially and 'Well' Even Without Rules

[reverendjeremiah]

I was merely pointing out ONE way that some anarchal systems would work. Some anarcho societies may not be so lenient. Some may have other methods of dealing with disruptive people. Its all about the majority consensus of the community.

For example, let's look at the "Anyone who beats the shit out of the thief.."

Consider you catch the thief red handed in the act and move to apprehend him. Seeing this, he fights and struggles back in any way he can. Assuming you are successful but not some martial arts master (just a flailing human smacking at another flailing human), you'll probably, in some fashion, have beaten up the thief.

Just beating the shit out of the theif is not going to make the community happy. If the theif steals from you, then starts violence to keep the object (which is what you are describing) then you are a victim of theivery and violence. Why would the community kick you out for defending your personal things or your own health? a community like that would not last long would it?

Anarchism isnt rocket science. Its very common sense and simple. Who wants to live in a violent community of theives willingly?

So much for the victim fighting back.

It depends on the situation. If the theif has a knife and the victim breaks the theifs arm getting the knife back, then WHY would the community kick him out? Now the theif gets kicked out of the community with a broke arm because it will be doubtful that anyone would help such an asshole. If the victim takes the knife from the thief and kills him with it, well, what do you think the community will react? They wont be none too happy that he killed someone would they? It really depends on what anarcho system is in effect at the time. In an anarcho capitalist system they would leave the killer alone as he was protecting his property and property is king in anarchocapitalist societies. If he was in a syndicate or social anarchy the reaction might be quite different. The community may come together and discuss the situation, come to the conclusion that the victim of theft went too far in taking a life and ask the man to leave.

Let's look at another case -- what if the "thief" is starving (or has some other cause) for thievery? In this case, the "Its usually very simple rules" clause falls into play and off goes the thief, off "out of your community."

The theif might definitely be starving in an anarcho-capitalist society. In a society like that the concepts of "rich" and "poor" are ingrained into the system. I dont like anarcho-capitalism because I consider it cruel. In an anarcho syndicalist system everyone has work. Even if there are too many people working on something, you are still expected to work (there is always something to do to build up the community). Everyone makes the same amount of money and everyone has a home. If the theif was starving in a syndicate, chances are the entire community AND the victim were also starving as well. If everyone is equal, why would theivery happen on a common basis? Why would someone steal food from his neighbor when he has the same? Also, in a syndicate, the community is encouraged to patrol itself. How long do you think a starving person would go unnoticed and unhelped in a community such as this? Give the man a sandwich and ask him to help you pick strawberries for the good of the community.

In spain the anarcho-syndicate known as FAI (Iberian Anarchist Federation) took over a ritzy rich hotel. Before the revolution the poor were barely fed. When the anarchists rose up they told the rich they are no longer rich. They are just the same as everyone else and if they dont like it then get the fuck out. Anyways, they took over the hotel and converted it into a peoples kitchen. Food was free for anyone who was hungry. Im not talking crap food either, or some kind of soup kitchen. People were encouraged to help the community, but not required. Pick up trash from the streets. If you are an electrician we have a short over here in the kitchen, etc, etc..

You're disregarding centuries of law, legal systems in favor of simplistic protocols.

Might as well accuse me of disregarding the Code of Hammurabi for all I care. anarchists are not traditionalists. What matters is the here and now. What matters is people today.

As I said, it's stupid.

You made that quite clear in your last post. I know... its stupid.