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People Behave Socially and 'Well' Even Without Rules
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RE: People Behave Socially and 'Well' Even Without Rules
(January 20, 2012 at 1:33 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: Its usually very simple rules. A thief who is caught will be quickly escorted out of the community. Anyone who beats the shit out of the thief will also be kicked out of the community. The community enforces the rules, not some jack booted thugs working for corrupt politicians.

(January 21, 2012 at 5:55 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: ...heinous social crimes such as rape, murder, etc... Before I have given basic examples of very basic anarchist ideas across the board. In my concept of a syndicate some of these offenders would be sent to a sanitorium. There will be psych professionals and jobs for those who are willing to do orderly jobs. Instead of treating these people like socially unwanted slime, they will be given physical and mental care. Studies will be made and help will be administered to those who have anger issues, sexual issues, etc. Communal work would be encouraged in the facility and since everything is egalitarian to the core there will be a greatly lessened chance of abusing the system. As long as profit exists in a community, you will have abuse of the system. Forensic sciences would still exist.

In Britain ( Crime rate soars as criminals walk free):
Quote:An analysis of Home Office figures reveals that only 9.7 per cent of all 'serious woundings', including stabbings, that are reported to the police result in a conviction. For robberies the figure falls to 8.9 percent and for rape, it is 5.5 per cent.

In India (Comparison of the conviction rates of a few countries of the world):
Quote:The reality is that our conviction rate for certain crimes is as low as 14.9% (terrorist and disruptive activities), assault/murder cases 6.2%, molestation cases 4.8%. And these are the 2001 figures....

I don't have a citation for the U.S. handy, though if memory serves, I recall a figure quoted that 88% of violent crimes in the U.S. do not result in a conviction. In some ways the U.S. is an example of bad things happening, as our jails are filled with people convicted of so-called "victimless crimes" and less violent offenses; the minor evils are viciously punished while the vicious evils are not. It's well considered that the U.S. sends far too many people to prison. (See also the India article which discusses Japan and Russia, where conviction rates are very high, but likely due to injustice instead of efficiency, the effect of convicting innocent people in large numbers.)

If the ability of the massive police states and legalistic machinery in large, modern governments does so poorly at protecting its people, delivering justice and stopping evil-doers, what makes you think an anarchist state will even do as well? Yes, the community might ride you out of town on a rail if they catch you, but that's only a 1 in 10 chance of happening. Maybe crime really does pay. And the mob, in it's wisdom can only redress the inherit injustice occurring when its members are victimized by lashing out, stripping people of civil liberties, and then lynchings and vigilante justice take the place of law, and 9 in 10 people punished are as likely innocent as guilty. (There's a reason it's called "the tyranny of the majority", with the emphasis on tyranny.)

Please explain to me why you believe your anarchist system might do as well or better a job of delivering justice than the systems we have now? If it can't, then your "community" which polices itself is an argument without teeth. A pie-in-the-sky dream with no basis in reality.



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RE: People Behave Socially and 'Well' Even Without Rules - by Angrboda - January 21, 2012 at 7:54 pm

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