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People Behave Socially and 'Well' Even Without Rules
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RE: People Behave Socially and 'Well' Even Without Rules
(January 21, 2012 at 9:58 pm)reverendjeremiah Wrote: So, If crime really does pay, like you say, then how do we fix the problem? Simple. We make the concept of "pay" fade away. If the concept of profit is removed from the equation, then NOTHING pays. By creating a truly egalitarian (social and economic) civilization, many of these problem will be lessened. Sure, people will still make meth, but with no profit motive what would they make it for? Extra food? In a system where everyone is well fed? Why? Would they make it for sex? That is a possability. But in a truly egalitarian society education is free and superior. Women and men have equal opportunities for possibilities. Education is lies or lessened. Drugs would be legal and a "matter of fact" approach to education about them would be obvious. Would they make meth for money? In a civilization without money that will not happen. Will he make meth for gold and jewelry? Sure, thats a possibility, but the dealer is already guarenteed a home and food and water and health and a job and free education for life. Jewelry is a status symbol. Would good is a status symbol in an egalitarian ("classless") society? Sure, the problem will still exist, but it will be lessened. Of course meth would still be made, but how far would it go without the profit model and good education? There is going to be addiction and addictive personalities anyways. In the system we have now, meth addicts hide it and do not seek out help out of fear of losing their job, their family, their property, their money, their freedom. In a society where home and livelyhood are guarenteed why would he fear seeking help? In a society where money doesnt exist and jobs are available always why would he not seek help? In a society where health care is free and people approach drugs and addiction with a REALITY based view (as opposed to the propaganda machine we have now) why would he hide it and HOWwould he hide it from others for long?

I can't help but be struck by the similarity between your rhetoric and that of Marxists in the early 20th century. They too believed that the profit motive, which perpetuated class warfare, was at issue. They too believed that if you eliminated the profit motive, a utopian society would result. I'm not going to bore you with references to the abject failures of communism, because I'm not trying to imply anarchism will result in the same set of dangers; I don't necessarily believe that. What I would draw attention to is twofold. First, as evidenced by your talk about drug addiction, there appears to be a large disconnect between what you imagine human behavior to be like, and what it appears to be (have you yourself experienced drug addiction? Your example of it seems strangely unreal). Second, your argument seems to combine rather idealistic assumptions about human nature with wishful thinking that once X is achieved, Y will magically result. I appreciate grand theorizers, and must confess that I am an idiot when it comes to political and economic theory, however, I think your model is entirely too speculative to bear the weight of argument in its favor.

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RE: People Behave Socially and 'Well' Even Without Rules - by Angrboda - January 22, 2012 at 6:47 pm

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