People Behave Socially and 'Well' Even Without Rules

[reverendjeremiah]

That points out another problem for this utopia. Even if you find some like minded folks to commune with, you can't control who your neighbors over the hill will be. If they aren't bought into your plan, they may just see easy pickings where you see home.

Because that NEVER happens with all the other types of government models. Democracy makes it to where a single homesteader can control those neighbors over the hill..

Oh wait...no it doesnt...

So why does anarchy get strongly attacked on questions like this, yet you act as if it doesnt already exist in a democracy, or any other govt model for that matter.

funny how you have all types of people who believe in all types of govt models living openly (or quietly) in all types of govt models.

Look dude, for once could you actually put forth a DECENT argument instead of these poorly thought out "what if" questions.

Finding a tribe's worth of like minded people is only the first hurdle. No matter where you set up shop there will be folks with a flag that already call your land their land. If you don't abide by their laws, they'll still haul you into their courts. But maybe I'm missing the scope of the hypothetical here.

Yes, because america is a tribe of like minded people, and so is the UK...

...wait a minute...no they arent...

And you dont think the Mexicans, natives, Spanish and french all still cling to claims of land for America? Honestly, like i said before... when you feel the need to ask me a "gotcha" question, please, just for one second, ask yourself that same question and apply it to YOUR economic and social beliefs before you go posting it and making me have to punk out an otherwise obvious reply to them.

REVOLUTION bud. Anarchism is ALL about the Revolution. If you did a small amount of homework on Anarchism you would realize that anarchists consider every bit of land belonging to ALL of the people, not the governments. So, necesarily, we dont give a shit about flags or claims or peices of paper saying a God or a court or a handfull of money gives me the right to "own" this land.

All land belongs to everyone equally

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For all we know, the factory owners quoted the right metric for forming a sustainable business.

Lets switch over to Anarchy right now so we can finally prove who is right or wrong...until then i can play that game:

"For all you know you would love anarchy if you just gave it a chance"
or
"For all we know, anarcho-syndicalism works better than we ever expected"
My quotes are JUST as relevant and accurate as yours.

Phrased another way, your uplifting story could easily be retold as a group of hicks taking over a industrial facility, asking for help and then rejecting it when it didn't taste good.

Yeah, um...that really didnt make any sense to me

Furthermore, your emotional appeals at an "us versus them" atmosphere ignores one thing -- what if you're part of that business side and are functionally correct?

I was unaware that you were the only one allowed to make emotional arguments on this topic.
"what if you're part of that business side and are functionally correct?"
What? I cant understand what you are asking.

It sounds like your approach does away with whatever the mob doesn't like, regardless of correctness.

Yes, just like Democracy sounds like it takes away whatever the King of England doesnt like, and everyone knows that god has personally blessed his holy blood line to lead us all.

If you insist on making up these strange comparisons and anti-comparisons, then i will be forced to retort in like mind.

Eventually you will steer back onto the subject....hopefully.

Then anarchy is:

A) unable to defend itself against malicious state actors and
B) useless for dealing with larger-than-individual actors

"actors" huh... Like I said before, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to figure this out. When the workers rise up and form an anarchy, they are giving a very clear message to every single government in the world that "we do not need your politicians, your kings, your religious leaders, your wealthy land owners, your bosses, or your monetary system"
Which makes every single government in the world its instant enemy. Of course those governments do NOT want to make friendly relationships with an anarcho-community. They will do their utmost to knock them down in a concerted effort so they can say "see, you need rich and poor and politician and king and greedy land owners in order to survive."

Also, the only thing I really value in this discussion are real world examples. That means something other than an economics textbook or old bones buried under soviet-made tanks.

So the spanish revolution wasnt "real world examples" because they "are buried under soviet tanks"?
If you are going to move the goal posts back further and further..you might as well just tell me that I am unable to score in this discussion.