(February 3, 2012 at 10:29 am)Welsh cake Wrote:(February 3, 2012 at 6:54 am)tackattack Wrote: As far as your rationale; for any people to earn hell or heaven, they would have to be able to freely choose between good and evil.I choose neither. Good and his neighbour Evil are two noisy annoying children who can't get along, while all I want is peace and quiet somewhere else alone.
Quote:Knowledge of what evil is, but choosing what is God's will would then be what earns your ticket to the pearly gates.And what if I don't want your candy man's golden ticket to his chocolate factory? I automatically get sent to hell? That's not a choice.
I believe it is a choice, you've chosen it in your previous post. You would have absolute solitude forever than submit to an objectively absolute good God. But I digress, it isn't about the carrot, it's about the road we travel.
(February 3, 2012 at 6:16 pm)padraic Wrote:I agree that from our perspective we use good and evil as a subjective moral value. That's because it comes from our subjective experience and perspective. If there is an absolute value for good and evil outside of the realm of personal perspective wouldn't that be valuable?
I understand that it's a grandiose claim that no one here would ever accept. But as a mental exercise, if the universe could be perceived from outside itself that would be objective correct? It would be an axiom. If that perspective had a consciousness and was morally good, wouldn't that make it the axiom of good. Unless you can share that objective perspective that would make you then less good. As a Christian, I realize I fall short of that standard and use it too better my subjective value for good. Does that make sense, I haven't really slept today?
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