RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 11, 2012 at 3:16 pm
(This post was last modified: February 11, 2012 at 3:26 pm by Abracadabra.)
(February 11, 2012 at 2:33 pm)Rhythm Wrote: If your positions were solid, supported by facts, evidence, valid and sound arguments, and your opinion of them didn't change (or the evidence and facts didn't change), yes, it would be useful.
Well, it would be a useful log to have around in any case.
If you views and opinions do chance you can study your own previous thinking to see precisely where and when you were persuaded to see things differently.
For example, there was a time when I was a Christian. At that time I did give arguments supporting the biblical picture of God. However, I confess that at that time I was nowhere near as well-versed as I am concerning what the scriptures actually say. I was assuming far too much.
So my awakening came directly from those scriptures themselves. The more I studied them the more I realized they can't be true.
I even tried for the "abstract metaphor approach", but that approach is utterly futile. Even as metaphors they are still absurd. The bottom line is that even as metaphors they are still basically saying the same things:
1. God condones male-chauvinism.
2. God is punishing women using sorrowful conception and childbirth as a curse.
3. God is unpredictable, drowning sinners one moment, then supposedly sacrificing his son to save them the next.
4. Even as metaphors, every solution from this God is based on violence and never resolves the problem anyway.
So even trying to support it as abstract metaphors doesn't help.
It's hopelessly impossible to salvage as anything even remotely reasonable.
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And then I remember a truly vivid awakening in my life with the following thought,...
Why the hell am I even trying to salvage this utterly stupid nonsense?
To keep a dream of a potential heaven alive?
To relieve myself of any fear that I might end up in a place of eternal damnation?
The answers to those questions were truly simple.
No, I'm not desperate to keep a dream of an potential eternal heaven alive.
And no, I have absolutely no fear of any truly "all-benevolent" God casting me into a place of eternal damnation. That's absurd itself. I know that I don't deserve such a horrific fate. Therefore any God who would do that to me could not possibly be "all-benevolent" in the first place.
It seems to me that only people who actually know that they are despicable enough to truly deserve to be cast into a state of eternal damnation truly have any reason to even fear this religion.
Because a truly "benevolent" God would never cast someone like me into a state of eternal damnation. That very act would necessarily be an unrighteous act, thus proving that this supposedly "benevolent" God cannot possibly be "benevolent" or "righteous".
In short the only way this God could hurt me is if he violates the premise that he's supposed to be a righteous benevolent God anyway.
So these fables are totally beyond absurd.
We need a more powerful word to describe just how truly oxymoronic these idiotic fables truly are.
When you stop and think about it, these ancient Hebrews, and other religious cultures especially in the Mediterranean region including the Greeks, have created such utterly idiotic fables of "Gods" and spirituality, that they have convinced secular-minded people that the very notion of a spiritual essence to life must be totally idiocy.
Thanks a lot ancient Hebrews! Great job at turning everyone off to even remotely considering a spiritual essence to life!
Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!