(February 11, 2012 at 2:28 pm)Rhythm Wrote:(February 11, 2012 at 1:08 pm)chipan Wrote: your words are like that of a child saying he doesn't have to listen to his parents. the commandments do not fit the definition of arbitrary because they all have a reason.
google Wrote:1.Based on random choice or personal whim, rather than any reason or system.
not based on random choice or personal whim. they are based on reason. many aggree with most of the reasoning. examples: murder, stealing, lying, etc. you may not understand the reasoning but that doesn't take it away from it.
I don't have to listen to my parents, and there may very well be consequences, but that has nothing to do with whether or not my parents are right or wrong, good or evil. That's just power or leverage. Might making right.
You actually linked that definition as if it supported your disagreement with me? Bolding mine, "personal whim"="God says so". Unless god is just communicating to us what is good, and it is not based upon his whims. In that case, I'll worship that which exists around your god and instructs him in how he should instruct us. I'll just worship good itself. I'm not a huge fan of human middlemen, a cosmic middleman is even less palatable.
i think you've missed the point. you don't have to listen to your parents, true. but when they say look both ways when you cross the street, they're not being arbitrary. they have a reason for telling you so. likewise, God has a reason for giving us his commandments.
personel whim does not equal God said so. doing something because you were told to by someone you trust is not arbitrary. you may not understand why but that doesn't mean the reason does not exist.
so you say you will worship the word of God which is good but not God himself? all that is good comes from God and therefore you cannot worship what is good without worshiping God. but if you wish to worship the earth, i don't care. i however will worship something greater than this earth.
and last of all, God does not seperate us from what is good. he does not channel good to us from something else. he is the source of all that is good. he is no middleman. you can worship all that you see that is good, or worship the one who created it. you can give credit to the painting or the artist.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem