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Official debate with local pastor.
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RE: Official debate with local pastor.
(February 15, 2012 at 10:00 pm)Abracadabra Wrote:
(January 31, 2012 at 6:36 pm)Godschild Wrote: It would not do me any good, I have a mirror that can't be broken and I would not want it to be, that mirror is Christ a mirror of love that keeps one striving to do better.

That basic psychology can be said of almost any religion. Many Buddhists would say the same thing about Buddha. A Taoist might say the same thing about Lao Tzu. A Wiccan the Moon Goddess, a Greek Apollo or Athena, etc.

The problem with the Christian making Jesus into "The Christ" is that he's not only been nailed to the cross, but he's also been nailed to the God of Abraham and the highly immoral bigotry and chauvinism of the Old Testament.

Jesus has also been contaminated by the teachings of Paul, etc.

Christianity can't be just about Jesus. It necessarily has to be about people like Paul and all the immoral crap of the Old Testament as well.

Jesus is nothing on his own. He has no legs to stand on. He's nothing if not standing upon the shoulders of the God of Abraham. A highly bigoted, hateful, jealous, cruel, unrighteous, and clearly immoral fictitious God.

Jesus carries tons of bigoted baggage that's forced onto him by the very proclamation that he must be held up as "The Christ".

As a stand alone sage, his moral teachings aren't bad. But then again, as a stand-alone sage he was basically teaching the very same moral values as Buddha, Lao Tzu, and many others.

Jesus had nothing new or unique to offer in terms of moral conduct. Everything he taught along those lines had already been taught centuries before he was ever born by the Eastern Mystics.

I'm personally totally convinced that Jesus was indeed a Jewish Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva who actually tried to reject the highly immoral teachings of the fables contained in the Torah, and was unfortunately crucified for his views.

That's what gave rise to the rumors of the New Testament. The very Pharisees who were behind his crucifixion are probably the same people who wrote those rumors (or twisted them into what they have become).

First they nailed him to a pole. Then, when as a dead man he became a martyr in the eyes of the public they had to do something so they jumped on rumors that he might have been the "messiah" and used those to create the New Testament firmly nailing Jesus onto the Torah as the "Son of the God of Abraham", the very immoral fables that Jesus himself tried so hard to renounce.

And here you are supporting those Pharisees who nailed Jesus first to a pole, and then to the Torah. The very teachings that Jesus himself rejected.

Jesus never rejected the Torah, the fact is He used the Torah and the rest of the OT to show He is the Messiah. The Pharisee murdered Christ because He exposed them for the frauds they were, they taught the Torah but did not live their lives by what it truly taught. So you see I do not support the Pharisees who murdered my Christ. By the way you have some wild imagination there, you would be good at writing fairy tales, as for your ability to interpret the scriptures you greatly lack any ability to do so.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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Official debate with local pastor. - by JohnDG - January 23, 2012 at 2:18 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by 5thHorseman - January 23, 2012 at 2:30 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by frankiej - January 23, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by 5thHorseman - January 23, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by JohnDG - January 23, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Minimalist - January 23, 2012 at 3:03 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by 5thHorseman - January 23, 2012 at 2:50 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Blam! - January 23, 2012 at 2:59 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by JohnDG - January 23, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Minimalist - January 23, 2012 at 3:29 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by LastPoet - January 23, 2012 at 4:38 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by reverendjeremiah - January 23, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Watchman - January 23, 2012 at 5:06 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Phil - January 23, 2012 at 9:26 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Blam! - January 23, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by reverendjeremiah - January 23, 2012 at 7:22 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Doubting Thomas - January 23, 2012 at 5:54 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by 8BitAtheist - January 23, 2012 at 5:55 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by JohnDG - January 23, 2012 at 5:58 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Blam! - January 23, 2012 at 7:14 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Rhizomorph13 - January 23, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Minimalist - January 23, 2012 at 8:27 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Blam! - January 23, 2012 at 9:02 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Godschild - January 23, 2012 at 8:34 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Zen Badger - January 24, 2012 at 8:11 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Faith No More - January 24, 2012 at 9:09 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by reverendjeremiah - January 24, 2012 at 11:39 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by JohnDG - January 24, 2012 at 3:33 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Rhizomorph13 - January 23, 2012 at 8:46 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Godschild - January 24, 2012 at 6:25 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Rhizomorph13 - January 24, 2012 at 11:33 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Minimalist - January 24, 2012 at 4:37 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Godschild - January 25, 2012 at 12:49 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Minimalist - January 23, 2012 at 8:55 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by KichigaiNeko - January 24, 2012 at 8:32 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Doubting Thomas - January 24, 2012 at 11:59 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by reverendjeremiah - January 24, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Doubting Thomas - January 25, 2012 at 12:33 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by reverendjeremiah - January 25, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Minimalist - January 25, 2012 at 1:14 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by reverendjeremiah - January 25, 2012 at 3:00 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Godschild - January 26, 2012 at 5:50 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Cinjin - January 25, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by reverendjeremiah - January 26, 2012 at 9:27 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Godschild - January 26, 2012 at 3:02 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by reverendjeremiah - January 26, 2012 at 3:46 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Godschild - January 27, 2012 at 1:34 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Zen Badger - January 27, 2012 at 8:08 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by reverendjeremiah - January 27, 2012 at 6:21 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Godschild - January 28, 2012 at 1:23 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by reverendjeremiah - January 31, 2012 at 9:40 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Godschild - January 31, 2012 at 6:36 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by reverendjeremiah - February 1, 2012 at 6:44 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by JohnDG - January 25, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Doubting Thomas - January 25, 2012 at 6:39 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Minimalist - January 25, 2012 at 7:46 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Doubting Thomas - January 26, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by reverendjeremiah - January 26, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Official debate with local pastor. - by KichigaiNeko - January 27, 2012 at 9:08 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Phil - January 28, 2012 at 2:02 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Cyberman - January 31, 2012 at 10:40 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Doubting Thomas - February 1, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Godschild - February 1, 2012 at 8:21 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by NoMoreFaith - February 15, 2012 at 9:01 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Zen Badger - February 16, 2012 at 7:50 am
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Rhizomorph13 - February 1, 2012 at 6:37 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Minimalist - February 1, 2012 at 8:06 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Cyberman - February 1, 2012 at 8:12 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Minimalist - February 1, 2012 at 8:14 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Minimalist - February 15, 2012 at 9:20 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Abracadabra - February 15, 2012 at 10:00 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Godschild - February 16, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Abracadabra - February 16, 2012 at 6:42 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Godschild - February 16, 2012 at 9:44 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Abracadabra - February 16, 2012 at 10:22 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Abracadabra - February 16, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Minimalist - February 16, 2012 at 10:25 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Abracadabra - February 16, 2012 at 11:35 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by padraic - February 16, 2012 at 11:27 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Minimalist - February 16, 2012 at 11:45 pm
RE: Official debate with local pastor. - by Abracadabra - February 17, 2012 at 12:03 am

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