RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 17, 2012 at 2:48 pm
(February 12, 2012 at 1:14 pm)RW_9 Wrote:(February 12, 2012 at 3:43 am)chipan Wrote: true, however the fact that they didn't use the word hell does not mean it did not exist. in the bible "Sheol" consisted of 2 compartments. there was the "Bosom of Abraham" and "Gehenna" in hebrew and "Hades" in greek. it was a place of eternal tourment. christians believe after christ, those in Abraham's bosom were brought to heaven.
I'm not sure if you actually read my response. "Gehenna" is from the New Testament, not the OT. The OT used Sheol and Hades, both resting places for the dead. The concept of hell as eternal torture did not exist until the New Testament.
I really don't care if you believe it existed back then in reality or some such. I was purely referring to when the concept came about in Christianity and the Bible - not reality.
So he hades was used in the old trstament but not gehenna? It was written in Hebrew so it using Greek does not make sense. And regardless of the lack of description of this place one thing is clear from the start. This place is a place of eternal separation from God. You think the fire is bad but the real torture is the separation from God. Before I get any smart remarks keep in mind that everything good comes from God so that means nothing good is in hell or Gehenna. No love, peace, happiness, or anything. What do you get when you take everything good and everything you enjoy out of this world? What you have left is hell. The fire is extra but that's not the true torture. It seams cruel but God cannot have any part in sin so when you pick sin over him he cannot allow you in his kingdom.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem