(February 12, 2012 at 5:04 pm)Abracadabra Wrote:(February 12, 2012 at 3:12 am)chipan Wrote: and last of all, God does not seperate us from what is good. he does not channel good to us from something else. he is the source of all that is good. he is no middleman. you can worship all that you see that is good, or worship the one who created it. you can give credit to the painting or the artist.
The very notion that God is the source of all that is good, is clearly utter nonsense.
In fact, for this to be true would violate the concept of free will in humans.
No human could do a good act on their own free will if God is the sole source of all that is good.
So this mythology shoots itself in the foot right there.
It can't possibly be true because it demands oxyomoronic absurdities.
This mythology proves itself wrong at every turn of the page.
The more you preach it, the more you prove it's false.
Interesting argument but still wrong. True, God is the source of all that is good, but that doesn't mean his creation can't be good. And yes, everything does what is good and wrong. These Actions do not influence the choice. The choice is whether to accept Jesus as your personnel savior because everyone has sinned. For our sin we all deserve eternal separation from God and everything that comes from God but he gave us an alternative. We can choose god by accepting his redemption or not. You say this doesn't give us choice. But this is the. Choice we are faced with. It's in black and white here for you and I don't think I can spell it out any clearer. On one hand however you're right. We have no choice but to do good at least once in our life. It's our nature to want what is good, just, and righteous. That's not the ultimate choice though. The choice is to accept Jesus as our savior to pay the debt of our sins or not. Therefore it does not contradict free will.
Oh! thus be it ever, when freemen shall stand
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem
Between their loved home and the war's desolation!
Blest with victory and peace, may the heav'n rescued land
Praise the Power that hath made and preserved us a nation.
Then conquer we must, when our cause it is just,
And this be our motto: "In God is our trust."
And the star-spangled banner in triumph shall wave
O'er the land of the free and the home of the brave!
-4th verse of the american national anthem