RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 19, 2012 at 4:00 am
(February 19, 2012 at 1:19 am)coffeeveritas Wrote: So even if you have subsumed your morality into your very being, you still got it from someone else.
How can you be so sure of that?
For me personally it may very well be that I got my morals from my mother. I most certainly didn't get them from my dad.
Of, they could have simply been my own personal choices too. In fact, I actually did make a conscious choice that I wanted to be a "good person" quite early in my life. I actually made that choice quite consciously. Almost like you'd chose what career you might want to go into.
However, when it came to defining what is meant by a "good person", I don't feel that I needed to look to anyone else for guidance on that. On the contrary I intuitively knew that to be a "good person" simply boils down to "Doing unto others as you would have them do unto you". I didn't even get that idea from anywhere. From my perspective it's just the obvious thing.
If I'm going around doing things to other people that I wouldn't want them to do to me, then I could hardly consider myself to be a "good person".
So I'm not convinced that I got my sense of morality from anyone other than myself. As far as I can tell it was my own personal decision based on my own personal idea of what being a "good person" means to me.
After all, if the core philosophy truly is based on "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you", then why would you need to look to someone else for a model on that? You should be able to know immediately what is "good" or "bad", etc., based entirely on how you would like to be treated by other people.
There would be no need for any outside role model or influence at all.
So when you say, "So even if you have subsumed your morality into your very being, you still got it from someone else.", how can you be so sure of that?
What makes you think that an individual couldn't come up with their own moral values based entirely on how they would like to be treated?
I feel just the opposite of your view. I feel that there is really no need at all to look outside of yourself for moral values. Yet, you seem to be taking the stance that everyone must necessarily get their moral values from an external source.
What's your reasoning behind that?
Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!