RE: How can Christians not admit Christianity is all a pile of garbage when ...?
February 20, 2012 at 7:38 pm
(February 20, 2012 at 6:32 pm)coffeeveritas Wrote: The fact that you used the golden rule as your definition of "good" shows that you are operating out of a subsumed idea.
No, it doesn't mean that at all.
On the contrary I had absolutely no idea at the time that any such "golden rule" existed. The fact that my natural intuitive feelings on the matter can be stated via the"golden rule" are pure coincidence.
In fact, all that goes to show is that the very concept of the so-called 'golden rule' is extremely natural and intuitive.
It didn't originate with Jesus. This idea was taught by Buddha, Confucius, Lao Tzu, and many others long before the rumors of Jesus ever came to be.
It's just a very basic common sense notion.
In fact, this is precisely how we can know that the Jesus rumors are false and that Jesus could in no way be associated with any "God of Abraham".
It makes no sense to believe that mere moral men like Buddha, Confucius, Lao Tzu and so many others would have realized far ahead of time that the Hebrew God was finally going to wise up.
The God of Abraham never taught anyone to "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you". On the contrary, the God of Abraham taught people to seek and eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth, and to stone sinners to death.
Your assumption that a very innate common sense ideal would need to be subsumed from elsewhere is the error in your thinking.
Moreover, if they teach that crap in philosophy classes it only demonstrated how utterly naive they are. Where do they think the earliest humans came up with their moral values? Some one had to originate these ideas somewhere along the way before anyone else could subsume them.
So clearly the subject of philosophy has a gaping hole in it's understanding of things if it teachings that all ideas necessarily had to be subsumed from someone else.
Clearly someone had to be the FIRST to come up with an idea before someone could subsume it from them.
So beware of people who teach that they know what they are talking about.
Just think about it for a moment yourself and you'll clearly see that someone had to be the originator of an idea.
All ideas cannot have been subsumed from others.
In fact, to believe so requires a complete denial of human creativity.
So beware of what you 'believe' just because some establishment proclaims that they believe its true. Philosophy is one of the slowest disciplines to keep up with modern knowledge. They often become quite stagnated in older classical world-views that simply hold no merit in our modern understanding of things.
The study of philosophy often focuses on ancient philosophers and on philosophical thinking form the classical age, and it tries to build "atop" of those utterly false notions.
It's probably the least dependable academic study that you can point to in this modern day and age.
Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!