Knowing everything and allowing evil

[chi pan]

Ok Abracadabra... Yes I believe I am not worthy of Gods forgiveness. This doesn't mean any of what you said. He sacrificed his son to pay for my sin not my unworthiness. You seem to be confused. Unworthiness is not what keeps us from heaven it's our sin. You are totally obsessed over this unworthiness and idk why. We are unworthy of his forgiveness and deserve eternal separation from God BUT he gives it anyway. That is where unworthiness leaves the picture. And I place faith in him because I trust him that doesn't keep me from challenging my faith. I will always challenge my faith looking at all the evidence presented to me on this subject.

It is exactly this disgusting ideology that makes your religion corrupt and evil. This ideology consists of two central ideas that are designed to either destroy man's rational capacity or any chance he has of finding happiness in the world.

The first is defining man as automatically unworthy of happiness (happiness here being represented by heaven). By your very standard, you have defined that man cannot be good. The following passage describes your doctrine quite aptly -

"Your code begins by damning man as evil, then demands that he practice a good which it defines as impossible for him to practice. It demands, as his first proof of virtue, that he accept his own depravity without proof. It demands that he start, not with a standard of value, but with a standard of evil, which is himself, by means of which he is then to define the good: the good is that which he is not.

It does not matter who then becomes the profiteer on his renounced glory and tormented soul, a mystic God with some incomprehensible design or any passer-by whose rotting sores are held as some inexplicable claim upon him—it does not matter, the good is not for him to understand, his duty is to crawl through years of penance, atoning for the guilt of his existence to any stray collector of unintelligible debts, his only concept of a value is a zero: the good is that which is non-man."

The second step is telling him that if he wants to be happy, he has to let go of his rational mind. You do this by telling him that he should accept something he hasn't earned, something that he's not worthy of.

If you convince a man that if gaining something that he does not deserve, you tell him that his efforts to deserve anything is useless. That what he gets by working for it and what he gets for free hold equal worth. And by doing that you give him justification for doing the reverse - to take something that he does not deserve.

You are misquoting me in every direction. I did not say man cannot be good. In fact the bible calls many of the prophets very good people. I never said man cannot be good. And how exactly does the Christian beliefs create unhappiness? In order to believe that you must exclude the millions of Christians who are happy. The bible actually teaches us how to be most happy. By following his commandments. He wants us to live for him. To get married and have children and love them. Not to worry about money. To put God first, then others, then yourself. To be honest with one another and not hurt one another. Does lying, stealing, hurting and such create happiness? No and this is why God says don't do it.

And you take this deserving thing completely the wrong way. We do not deserve God's grace, mercy, and forgiveness. But what do we do about it? We do our best to give back to God; not destroy ourselves. We use it in a constructive manner so we can make God proud and give him as much as we can give. This is how you interpret it. You can't include the bad without the good.