Knowing everything and allowing evil

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I'm not gonna play this back and forth "nuh uh" game.

Sure you are. That's precisely why you log onto these forums.

If you wanted to have positive discussions with like-minded individuals you'd join a Christian forum. There mere fact that you have joined an atheist forum to proselytize your religion proves that you're just looking to argue with people over it.

Obviously your just frustrated because you can't deny the points I make.

The biblical cannon is riddled with endless contradictions and they even have Jesus himself making statements that clearly fly in the face of the many of the sick demented things that Christians often demand that Jesus stood for.

If you're going to demand that Jesus is an egotistical bastard who will hate everyone who doesn't acknowledge that he's God, then you've got your work cut out for you.

There are clearly many quotes attribute to Jesus that suggest just the opposite.

Jesus said that he did not come for the righteous but rather for the spiritually sick. Therefore Jesus himself recognized that not everyone is in need of salvation.

When confronted with blaspheme for claiming to be a son of God Jesus points to the Torah and says, "It it not written in your law, I said, ye are gods"? Thus Jesus was not claiming to be God anymore than anyone else.

Jesus was most likely a Mahayana Buddhist viewing everyone as children of God.

Jesus, himself said that he would not judge those who hear his words but do not believe. In fact, he was supposedly saying that to people live, face-to-face. Well, gee if he didn't even expect people he was speaking to directly in person to believe him, then surely he wouldn't expect anyone 2000 years later to believe hearsay rumors about him.

So no way could Jesus be said to expect anyone to believe in him.

And like I say, Jesus also ask the Father to forgive people for they know not what they do. So there you have it. Clearly evidence that Jesus personally held the view that not knowing what you're doing is a legitimate excuse get be pardoned from judgment and be given the grace of free forgiveness.

If you attempt to hold any other position you'll have to do so by spitting in the face of Jesus and his very own words.

Jesus gave everyone a pardon who "Knows not what they do", because that was clearly his personal view of righteousness.

So even if these rumors and fables are true, Jesus would still pardon all atheists and non-Christians by his own words.

And you're not in a position to revoke the words of Jesus.

So why should anyone care what you think about it?

You don't speak for Jesus.

Ok first, when I said I'm not gonna play this nuh uh game I was refering to when you took my claims and said "no, read your bible." if that's the best comeback you might as well just stop. I prefer an answer other than nuh uh. I'm not gonna play children arguements with you. It's not that I can't refute them it's that you didn't post anything to refute.

As for you saying Jesus did not claim to be God, I will comment on that. You made a claim and therefore I can refute it. See how that works? Now, Matthew 16:15-17, Peter asks if he is the massiah, the living son of God and he affirms it. When the high priest asks him if this is true he also affirms it in Mark 14:61-62, Matthew 26:63-64, and Luke 22:70. In case you say "well son of God and son of Man are not the same as claiming to be God, there is a clearer passage in that respect. Jesus claims "I and my father are one" in John 10:24-38 (verse 30 is the statement, the rest is context).

Your next claim saying Jesus said he did not come for the righteous but the unrighteous. He is not saying they do not need salvation. In fact, he talks many times pointing out even the Pharisees who devoted their lives to following the law were not perfect. Surely even you know of that. He spat in their faces many times (figuratively). Everyone needs salvation, but he was saying he didn't come to spend all his time with the righteous but the unrighteous. Not the rich but the poor. He was helping those who needed it most.

And you're right that Jesus did not expect everyone to believe him. But he also said "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the father but through me."

If you want me to refute claims all you have to do is make them and actually back them up. Nuh uh doesn't prove anything.