(February 25, 2012 at 1:43 am)chipan Wrote: Did I ever say Jesus was hateful?
I couldn't care less what you might personally say. This isn't about you.
This is about a religion.
And yes, Christians have been holding both Jesus and the God of Abraham out as being jealous hateful God(s). There's no question about. The God of Abraham confesses his hateful jealously early on. And the Christians push that same hateful jealously on to Jesus by proclaiming that he's "The Christ".
He automatically hates heathens then because he will supposedly condemn heathens to eternal punishment according to the Christian. And according the highly contradicting scriptures. Even John clearly states in in John 3:18.
(February 25, 2012 at 1:43 am)chipan Wrote: The second thing is I find it convenient that you use the bible only to prove your point but when your proven wrong your backup is "well the bible is full of contradictions so that doesn't count" but it counts whenever you score a point that way. If that's how it is then I refuse to partake. I will not engage in conversation that you change your position whenever it's convenient for you.
I've never changed my position yet.
It is my position that the Bible is nothing but a collection of contradictions. And every time you help me demonstrate one you are supporting my position even though you don't realize it.
I've broken the so-called "Holy Scriptures". They have crumbled into nothing but utterly meaningless gibberish at my hand. They were never anything other than fictitious lies to begin with. They were extremely easy to break.
And I've already demonstrated this in several posts.
I get tired of repeating it, but clearly it hasn't sunk in yet to the thick-headed Christians.
I'll type this out one more time, then I'm going to copy it and keep it on file and just post it whenever this question comes up.
The Scriptures Have Been Broken - It's a Done Deal:
John writes in this Holy Book:
John 3:18 He that believeth on him (Jesus) is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
I will demonstrate clearly that John 3:18 an outright contradiction.
First assume that John 5:22 is true (in these fables)
John.5:22 For the Father judgeth no man, but hath committed all judgment unto the Son
The Father Judgeth no man and all judgment has been committed to the Son (that would be Jesus in these fables)
At Calvary Roman soldiers who did not believe in "Jesus" as the only begotten Son of God, were forgiven by Jesus himself. They neither recognized Jesus as being divine, nor did they ask Jesus for forgiveness. On the contrary, they openly mocked him, beat him, and nailed him to a pole.
Yet according to Luke Jesus said the following:
Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
We have TWO blatant contradictions here.
The first being that Jesus was asking the Father to forgive these men. That contradicts John 5:22 and shows that Jesus himself was not aware that he was to be the sole judge of men.
So that's the first blatant contradiction. The scriptures have been broken right there.
The second blatant contradiction is that Jesus is forgiving these men based on a principle of his observation or belief that these men are not understanding what they are doing wrong. (i.e. They know not what they do).
Therefore, Jesus himself at this point in these fables is contradicting John 3:18 that anyone who does not believe in the name of the son of God is condemned already. Clearly Jesus is prepared to forgive these men even though they do not recognize the divinity of Jesus, nor are they asking to be forgiven.
So the scriptures are broken twice in this single event.
It's an easily twice-broken fable just in this one instance.
Of course I've recognized that these fables have been broken since at least the 3rd Chapter of Genesis, but that's a whole other story.
These New Testament Gospels are clearly broken. And the Christian demand that John 3:18 must be held up as the "Voice of Jesus" is false. In fact, John 3:18 isn't even John quoting Jesus, it's just John narrating his own personal opinions.
Clearly these scriptures are as broken as they can be and there is no resurrecting them.
So it's a done deal. The Christian Holy Scriptures have officially been broken. And the Christian claims that Jesus won't forgive anyone unless they recognize that he is the Lord of Lords and King of Kings is hogwash that cannot be supported by these broken fables.
Thank you for reading. And have great day!
Christian - A moron who believes that an all-benevolent God can simultaneously be a hateful jealous male-chauvinistic pig.
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!
Wiccan - The epitome of cerebral evolution having mastered the magical powers of the universe and is in eternal harmony with the mind of God.
Atheist - An ill-defined term that means something different to everyone who uses it.
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Luke 23:34 Then said Jesus, Father, forgive them; for they know not what they do.
Clearly Jesus (a fictitious character or otherwise) will forgive people if they merely know not what they do
For the Bible Tells us so!