Knowing everything and allowing evil

[Abracadabra]

That was part of his plan Abra, washed us clean dontcha know. He's returning any day to set up his Kingdom. Maybe we should see if the romans you're referring to had anything to say about all of this.

You're essentially trotting out the "embarrassing details" apologist bullshit, if you hadn't realized that yet.

:asks the romans: -gets crickets-

I can see why you help wiccans smuggle christ in, you needed to smuggle him into buddhism. I asked you a bunch of questions about that once, about the effect your childhood faith may have had on your current beliefs.

I don't even have "beliefs" as you think of them.

In fact, 100% of the nonsense that you push onto me is created by your very own misconceptions.

I have no need to "save" Jesus. In fact, when I first left Christianity I didn't even give it a second thought. It really wasn't until much later in my life when I was studying the history of Buddhism that it became apparent to me that Jesus was most likely a Mahayana Buddhist Bodhisattva. Everything just fit together and that seemed to be the most likely explanation. I'm convinced not that this is indeed the most likely secular explanation for how those rumors got started.

It has nothing to do with my 'desire' to believe it. I couldn't care less.

In fact, even if Jesus was a Mahayana Buddhist, that doesn't automatically mean that he was necessarily sane. He might have started off as a Bodhisattva with good intentions, and as more and more people started thinking that he was claiming to be God and actually believing him that might have gone to his head, and he might have ended up falling into those delusions himself. Who knows?

That's totally unimportant to me. I have no need to defend someone who lived 2000 years ago.

Just the same, these stories make for a good psychic archetype. Psychic archetypes have psychological value even in a purely secular world. It's always good to have your heroes and legends to look up to. Whether they are real people or fictitious characters are totally irrelevant.

So yes, I totally approve of and support anyone who can make a positive spiritual archetypes out of anyone including Jesus. So if an ex-Christian wants to bring Jesus into "Wicca" more power to them! But of course, it wouldn't make any sense to try to maintain his status as "The Christ", if a person is going to do that they may as well stick with Christianity because that's the whole thesis of Christianity. What's the point in leaving Christianity at all if you're going to continue to hold up that Jesus is the sacrificial lamb of a jealous God?

But yes, I support any positive use of Jesus as a psychic or spiritual archetype. And that can be done from a purely secular perspective though you may not be able to understand that.

I support anything that positive and constructive.

Of course, Christianity is not positive nor is it constructive. Christianity holds Jesus up as "The Christ" and uses him to exclude people from spirituality. They use him for destructive purposes to renounce people as 'non-believers' etc.


Christianity is not a positive religion at all for anyone who isn't a member and supporter of the cult. It's an extremely divisive religion that uses Jesus as an excuse to exclude people from divine love, if they refuse to join and support the cult.

So it's just a hateful exclusionary religion that uses Jesus as a hate hammer. I have absolutely no respect for the religion whatsoever and the sooner it dies, the better off humanity will be.