(March 6, 2012 at 5:33 am)chipan Wrote: Your rational for that is crap. The fact that this guy is willing to give it for nothing doesn't mean it's worth nothing to him.
Whatever he is willing to give his kidney for is the worth of his kidney. If he is willing to give it for nothing in exchange then it is worth exactly that to him - nothing.
(March 6, 2012 at 5:33 am)chipan Wrote: It means he values your life and wants to be a good samaritan and save your life.
So, my life is valuable to him? Why would it be valuable to him if he expects nothing in return from me now or in the future? Value without cause is like currency without commodity to back it up - worthless as the paper it is printed on.
(March 6, 2012 at 5:33 am)chipan Wrote: Going through surgery is crap and he's willing to go through that for you. He expects nothing in return not because it's not valuable to him, but because puts your life before his kidney.
What a depraved and miserable individual he must be if he values himself so little that any passerby may lay a claim on him. He must truly be pitifully miserable if he is willing to risk his life and future health for a stranger with no concrete value in return.
And if he gains some value form the act itself - he must be truly depraved, if he is unable to attain that value without someone else's misery.
The only thing this blight on humanity could truly want is self-destruction and I'd gladly help him in his cause by taking his kidney.
(March 6, 2012 at 5:33 am)chipan Wrote: And God gave us salvation to save us from death,
Except for the fact that Everyone Dies.
(March 6, 2012 at 5:33 am)chipan Wrote: all we can do is be happy and live a good life serving him.
It is only by giving up your rational mind that you can be happy in accepting the undeserved. Which is fortunate for you because serving your god requires exactly that. I hold humans to a higher standard.
(March 6, 2012 at 5:33 am)chipan Wrote: Not every action is on a weight. Pope John Paul II went to the prison where this guy who tried to assassinate was and told him he forgives him. According to your logic, he was just crazy because there's no way he could forgive someone for trying to kill him for no reason if he was "rational."
No, not crazy - irrational. Which is worse. You are not crazy by your own choice, but you can choose to be irrational.
(March 6, 2012 at 5:33 am)chipan Wrote: the fact is he wasn't crazy, just was so in peace with life he had no desire to hold onto anger.
You confuse anger with justice. I can let go of my anger against someone and still withhold forgiveness because he doesn't deserve it. And I can forgive someone and still remain angry at them.
(March 6, 2012 at 5:33 am)chipan Wrote: People can go out of their way to help someone else without being crazy and someone can accept a gift from a stranger they have done nothing for without feeling guilty.
Don't confuse kindness and goodwill with the depravity you are presenting. Helping someone with little cost to yourself and accepting help which costs little is not irrational, nor is it something to feel guilty for. Because of low cost in this case, nothing undeserved is being taken or given. But risking something valuable for something that holds no value to you is degrading the thing that is valuable.
