RE: Bible contradictions?
March 7, 2012 at 6:29 pm
(This post was last modified: March 7, 2012 at 6:29 pm by Erinome.)
(March 7, 2012 at 5:02 pm)Undeceived Wrote: These are great questions. We cannot completely understand all that God does;
Of course we can't. That would be too convenient, wouldn't it. Your god is so mysterious... it's almost like he doesn't even exist.
Quote:1. People make this objection on the usually-correct conclusion that no one deserves worship. That's true for humans, but God is no flawed person. He deserves glory not just because he made us but because he loves us unconditionally.
But does he love them unconditionally before and after he sends them to suffer eternally in a lake of fire?
Quote:We find it hard to worship imperfect people, but remember when you had your first girlfriend/boyfriend? You thought they were perfect and you worshiped them for it. Now imagine if you knew God was perfect and owed him your life.
First I would have to know he exists, and then I'd have to come to some understanding of what unimaginable plane of existence he would be considered perfect.
Quote:When someone loves you, you want to love them back.
Not necessarily.
Quote:Jesus showed his love when he washed his disciples feet, as a servant would do. Then he died for us.
Evidence? I'm assuming you have none, right? Just faith, right?
Quote:God made us with us in mind, not just himself. We get to live in eternal happiness if we choose to.
To me, eternal happiness would be to never have anything to do with your god. I think the very idea of him is repulsive, quite frankly. I don't even want to live eternally. Do we get to choose to stop existing when we die? Because I would prefer that above all else.
Quote:Why are we here at all?
I have my own, subjective purpose. Don't care why you're here.
Quote:God hasn't revealed the full reason yet. But if we understand this is the only way he could have created us (see 3.), and if we know the way out (John 3:16), we have enough to go on.
God hasn't revealed anything to anyone. People, on the other hand, have revealed that they have the willingness to believe the products of mediocre imaginations.
Quote:2. God made their lives, he can take them away. Jesus had to come into Israel in order to live and die for everyone's sins.
Why? If I was an omnipotent creator, I wouldn't have to send myself, as my son to some remote, illiterate portion of the globe for any reason. If I wanted to forgive people, I could just decide to do so, and it would be done. Hell, I can do that right now, and I'm but a mere mortal. This is why I don't buy that bullshit. It doesn't make a lick of sense.
Quote:The people who perished still get their choice of eternal life or eternal agony (far longer than 60 years), and they wouldn't have without Jesus.
For me, agony would be an eternity with the piece of shit god, and all his followers. Now what?
Quote:3. Create your own utopian world.
One without needlessly divisive, absurd religions like Christianity. Check.
Quote:What freedoms would you give it inhabitants? Would you let them lie around all day and pluck fruit off the grass? Say one wants a better part of the grass with more food. Would you let him murder another, or would you put a barrier between them? Would you let them lie or steal? Every time they lie and steal, resentment grows until they all hate each other and aren't happy at all.
If I'm god, and I love my creations, I would just make everyone's grass equally terrific.
Quote:The only way to prevent this is to cut parts in their brains that would allow them to think of such actions.
Or just make everyone's grass equally terrific.
Quote:Every time you make the world more perfect you have to take away a freedom.
And what freedom would be taken away by making everyone's grass equally terrific? That only makes sense if you don't think about it.
Quote:Sin was inevitable in Eden. Satan tempted Eve's free-thinking selfish side.
It's not selfish to think freely if you don't believe in an arrogant, amoral god. Then it's just called "pondering" or "asking questions". Either way, for that, Satan is my hero as far as fictional characters go.
Quote:If he didn't do it then, a greedy thought would have occurred to her later. Good and evil are intrinsic. You can't eliminate one without destroying all critical thought.
Thus proving your god to be highly illogical.
Quote:Sin is an psychological option, not a natural force. Its potential has existed as long as God has, which is forever.
I think mostly what your god considers to be sins are stupid, needless, and narcissistic.
Quote:4. For us to truly love him, we needed free will.
Stupid. My kids love me because I am good to them, and I would never allow them to suffer.
Quote:A robot programmed to obey does not love. God was willing to create us anyway, knowing he would have to sacrifice himself for his creation to live eternity with him.
A human who isn't programmed to obey doesn't love your god either. I know, because I am one. You paint god in an extremely illogical light. I thought he was omnipotent? That would mean he would be able to allow us to live with him for eternity anyway. This god of yours seems like he was made up in pieces and parts by different ancient people who didn't know each other, nor anything about natural reality.
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