Bible contradictions?

[The Grand Nudger]

I view the terms as synonymous, and so does dictionary.com. Actually, eternalness might take atemporality a step further. Not only is God outside of time's limitations, he has no beginning or end. In any case, God created time, so therefore he has power over it without having to enter inside of it. His angels and natural forces do temporal work for him. There is no proven logic that says he can't have existed for eternity and still touch whatever is bound by time. 2 Peter 3:8 says, "With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day." That would explain why he is in no rush to answer our prayers the minute we make them. He sees the full picture, and knows just where everyone is going to be at any given second. When we watch a video tape, are we then confined to the time in the movie? No. We can fast-forward, rewind, re-record, and the characters on the tape will be oblivious to our actions.

Then your god is a malicious precog. By the by, why are we just assuming that being "outside of time" automatically grants one control or dominion over time (or anything..maybe your god is just a bum who sits there and watches like a peeper, unable to effect anything at all, would explain alot)? You'll have to do more than simply assume so. In addition to being a malicious precog, it still doesn't exist (at least not within this temporal existence, as per your own claim). Other explanations might be offered for why your prayers have never been answered.

Decisions can also be atemporal. All the while God existed (forever) he has made a conscious decision to create the earth. He made it in the beginning of his eternity and the end of his eternity, except there is no beginning and end. You're assuming there was time before God made the decision. He may have always known. The moment we try to place where we are on the spectrum of eternity we've broken our concept of God's atemporality. The more I think of this, the more I see that both sides are circular and you really can't argue one way or the other. God created us, so it is reasonable to say we wouldn't completely understand his nature.

Care to point me in the direction of an "atemporal decision"? Again, malicious precog. Is it impossible to argue for any part of your god myth without wrecking another? Doesn't look like it from here.

Fair enough. But are we then to say that time is eternal? Saying time has no beginning or end is either admitting that there's an eternity outside our universe or it's bringing us to the conclusion that time is a measurement and nothing more. If the latter is true, we should be arguing about change and ability to change instead. Does God change? Change (by our experience) always requires an outside stimulus. God would have no outside stimulus. Everything he created was already in his mind, and he foresaw it all, so nothing could surprise him.

Strange, I didn't see any such admission, implication, or suggestion. God created what, exactly? You can't just keep saying it, you have to demonstrate it.

Yet it has a beginning. In the material world, all beginnings have causes. And the universe didn't just "come to be" billions of years ago. It supposedly exploded from one source of energy. I think it's funny when science tries to explain unscientific things. There were no natural laws before the universe's beginning, so what laws existed, and why should there be any at all? If we're the only universe that was bound to come into existence, why did we come in such a lucky life-supporting form? The chances of the Big Bang arranging itself right is no better than a hurricane sweeping through a junk yard and assembling a Boeing 747 (1 in trillions). So if you claim the trillions-of-Big-Bang-attempts idea, you need time to operate in. If not, we truly are a lucky species.

As opposed to some other world? Demonstrate the existence of this world? Point to an unscientific "thing"? Lucky life supporting form? We are no such thing, our universe is a meat grinder. I thought I'd heard the last of the junkyard and 747 apologetics, but I guess I was wrong, and I guess you aren't very well informed.