(August 10, 2009 at 5:04 pm)Jon Paul Wrote:(August 10, 2009 at 4:10 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: No ... let me say it to you again, since you are apparently having some problems understanding (I'll list it point-wise to make it a little clearer):But that scenario begs the question of a primary, independent ontological reality (the real universe/"physical or hardware"), with "your view of it/your mind or OS" being merely a side-thing.
- If you have a scenario (and I likened this to a computer and it's operating system) it has two basic layers of complexity, the real universe (physical or hardware) and my view of it (my mind or an OS). That is 2 levels of complexity.
No it doesn't, it's a straight forward side-by-side comparison of a virtual scenario compared to a physical one.
(August 10, 2009 at 5:04 pm)Jon Paul Wrote:(August 10, 2009 at 4:10 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: Exactly how does that deal in any way, shape or forum with the point I have raised?The point you have raised begs the question of an ontological reality outside the mind (physical universe/hardware in contradistinction to software/mind). The point I have raised is that postulating the reality and world of our qualitative, subjective sense experience to be an actually ontologically independently existing reality outside of your mind is something far more complex and far more extensive than not doing so.
No, it doesn't (it doesn't require anyone to drop to questions of ontological anything) ... see above!
Kyu
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