(August 10, 2009 at 5:34 pm)Jon Paul Wrote:(August 10, 2009 at 5:23 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: No it doesn't, it's a straight forward side-by-side comparison of a virtual scenario compared to a physical one.And it postulates the existence of something outside of the mind, both in what you call virtual and physical scenarios.
Point taken (I failed to read your response properly) however my scenario deals with that entirely ... the "outside" you refer to becomes an essential part of the virtual scenario (the host mind/OS).
(August 10, 2009 at 5:34 pm)Jon Paul Wrote:(August 10, 2009 at 5:23 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: * If that scenario is virtualised it needs, somewhere, something or someone to host it (to run the scenario, to make it work correctly etc. etc.) and that support has to have its own operating system or mind PLUS its own physical support. That's another 2 levels ... even if you assume (as I'm sure you would) that it is unsupported it's still 1 level.What I am proposing is not a virtual simulated scenario, because there is no simulator and no simulated thing, but simply the experience of the mind and no further positive claims.
Even if you assume YOU are the one doing the dreaming it would mean that the virtual/dream scenario is pointless and no one else was real! Why bother? I don't think you are claiming that though! I think you want to have a hosted scenario with the host being non-existent which brings us back to mental masturbation.
(August 10, 2009 at 5:34 pm)Jon Paul Wrote:(August 10, 2009 at 5:23 pm)Kyuuketsuki Wrote: No, it doesn't (it doesn't require anyone to drop to questions of ontological anything) ... see above!Not "to drop questions of ontological anything", no, which is not what I said.
You want to bring metaphysical reasoning into everythign ... I consider metaphysics pointless bollocks and will continue to do so until the day it actually proves something! As I said before ... please feel free to point to something accepted by the vast majority of scientists, academicians and intelligent theologians (a distinction I make because of the theological shysters of this world, Billy Graham, Ken Ham, Kent Hovind and their ilk).
Kyu
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