RE: Secularization and the destruction of marriage
March 13, 2012 at 4:08 pm
(This post was last modified: March 13, 2012 at 4:26 pm by Ziploc Surprise.)
(March 13, 2012 at 3:47 pm)Minimalist Wrote:Quote:Secularization and the destruction of marriage: Is god the only solution?
First off, who is making such a connection....other than a blabbering preacher or two who always seem to have a lot to say about shit they know nothing about.
It's the blabbering preachers. Recently a FB friend of mine posted a video about some predictions that a preacher named Lester Sumerall (don't know if I spelled the name correctly) made in 1985. For him what we have today is "proof" of the consequences of our falling away from god. Therefore the only solution is to return to god. Over and over I have heard this and it's starting to piss me off.
People say they want to go back to the good ole days but they forget what the good ole days were all about.
(March 13, 2012 at 3:48 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: I am in a successfull marriage and niether of us are christian.
I think the main problem is people are used to getting there own way instantly in all things if suddenly you arent satisfied with your partner trade em in and get a new one.
So the problem is the capitalist mind set rather than secularism.
But is it really a problem? is it better for people to suffer all their lives in unhappy relationships than be free even if there are kids involved.
I should have stated the problem better which is essentially (as I see it, correct me if I'm wrong) a growing inability for people to make and maintain long term relationships.
Maybe you are on to something. Perhaps in a lot of cases the inability to make and maintain long term relationships has always been there (and perhaps was worse in the past) people only stayed together because of force or coercion.
BTW, for everyone who reads this. I actually posted my thread to get other's input to help me think out the problem (and to rant a bit as well I must admit). I started this thread with out an answer in mind (though maybe I might come across some in discussion). Thanks for your input.
(March 13, 2012 at 3:50 pm)Faith No More Wrote: Another that religion encourages which hurts marriage is not living together until marriage. Living with someone is a huge step even if you love them more than anything, and it takes time to work the kinks out. I think anyone considering marriage should have a trial period of living together first.
I have always wondered if there were any real numbers (statistics) out there that would show whether this was beneficial, harmful or neutral. Intuitively a trial run at a long term relationship sounds good but without any objective study I'm not sure.
(March 13, 2012 at 4:08 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Don't know about the veracity of the claim, but the link below claims that the divorce rate in the religious is higher than in non-believers.
http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr_dira.htm
If that's true, I can hardly see how more religion will help.
As my disclaimer suggested I've heard of these statistics before and I question them. I see too many variables that could skew things. This does not mean that I'm unwilling to be convened of your point, it only means I'm skeptical. Thanks for posting the link. I promise to look at it soon. I'm hoping to find links to any studies that show how the statistics were obtained.
I have studied the Bible and the theology behind Christianity for many years. I have been to many churches. I have walked the depth and the breadth of the religion and, as a result of this, I have a lot of bullshit to scrape off the bottom of my shoes. ~Ziploc Surprise
