Non-existence

[Kyuuketsuki]

Even if you assume YOU are the one doing the dreaming it would mean that the virtual/dream scenario is pointless and no one else was real! Why bother? I don't think you are claiming that though! I think you want to have a hosted scenario with the host being non-existent which brings us back to mental masturbation.

No. All I have said is that proposing only a mind (which is all we have real evidence of) is proposing less complexity than proposing a reality outside of the mind.

A mind which must support ITSELF in addition to hosting the entire universal scenario ... it is therefore MORE COMPLEX than the base assumption of a physical universe!

I have not said anything about which scenario is true or false.

It is implicit in your claim.

Kyu

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[quote='Jon Paul' pid='25382' dateline='1249957894']The reality itself would be less complex, but not the whole system. Of course, if all I'd ever seen in my life was my bedroom, it would be much simpler to say my bedroom is all that exists than to say a universe exists outside of it. But the difference is that (like Kyuu said) the idea of a universe offers one or two layers of complexity to exist, whereas a conscious mind upholding its experience of a universe it created adds whole new layers of baffling complexity to the system as a whole.

And again ... thank you Luke! Finally someone else gets what it is I am on about (and more to the point what a load of old tripe these Jon Paul & Arcanus are wittering on about).

Kyu