Non-existence

[Kyuuketsuki]

It doesn't matter what the solipsist believes

It does matter what the solipsist believes to how much complexity the solipsistic worldview contains and proposes.

No, it doesn't because I am not arguing what the solipsist believes I am arguing that a universe that is virtual or dreamed involves more complexity than one that is real.

in order for either a virtual or dreamed universe to exist it must involve further layers of complexity

The solipsist acknowledges the ontological reality of the mind, and it's conscious experience of sense-data. Nothing more.

I couldn't care less what some whacked up bunch of nutfuckers believe!

The realist acknowledges the ontological reality of the mind. Just like the solipsist. Only, he also acknowledges the ontological reality of another 100 billion minds plus an indefinite number of ontological articles existing independently of the mind.

No, the realist acknowledge reality! Using phrases such as "ontological reality" is just jumped up metaphysical hyper-bollocks ... it is utterly unnecessary to the conversation (as evidenced by the fact that it wasn't necessary before in this particular piece of the conversation) and I suspect you use them as something to retreat behind, an attempt to confuse your opponents by ducking behind philosophical complexities and language!

therefore it is entirely reasonable to say that the assumption of a physical (real) universe is a more realistic proposition and therefore any claim otherwise is the EXTRAORDINARY claim and requires EXTRAORDINARY supporting evidence i.e. the two views ARE NOT equal!

You have given no real reasons to think that solipsism proposes more complexity than realism. You have only asserted that it does. You have confounded it with the metaontological proposition of a "virtual reality simulation" which affirms the ontological reality of something other than conscious experience wholly unlike solipsism.

Stop with the fucking solipsism ... I repeat that I couldn't care less what some whacked up bunch of nutfuckers believe!

No it is not meta-ontology and metaphysics ... it is straight forward logic and reason.

It is meta-ontology because you are speculating beyond the fact of being into the evolution of being, and already proposing more ontological complexity and extensiveness than a solipsist.

No, it is not ... it is straight forward logic and reason!

There is no reason why our minds exist? Yes there is ... they evolved as a function of the spare "computing" power of our brains and became evolutionarily useful. Although I accept there is a lot to be learned about that and how it happened there certainly is NO EVIDENCE whatsoever to suggest that mind exist independently of body, brain or physical supporting infrastructure.

Again, all those things are metaontological deductions about the ontogenesis of your own mind based on the very sense-data that the solipsist believe makes up the only existing ontological reality, which don't exist independently of the mind, but only in the conscious experience of the mind.

No they are not ... they are based purely on observations made by medics/scientists over long periods of time!

You know you can carry on this stupid word game all you want but I will not play ... your philosophy (specifically your metaphysical and meta-ontological crap) is bollocks and I will continue to consider it so until such time as you meet the challenge I have already set you! Meet that successfully and I will play your game, until then give us a break!

Kyu